Disgruntled AS Employees: "It's a race to the bottom."
Jan 11, 2018, 10:56 am
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Jan 11, 2018, 4:08 pm
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Jan 11, 2018, 5:16 pm
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Jan 11, 2018, 6:13 pm
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Jan 11, 2018, 6:54 pm
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Jan 11, 2018, 7:58 pm
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Jan 11, 2018, 11:12 pm
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Eh, I'm wondering how much of the paint-trading between AA and AS is because they're competitors...and how much is actually the result of the agreement to acquire VX. I know that the AS/DL breakup was coming on its own, but AS/AA seems to have been more-or-less forced onto them as a condition of the merger.
That said, I've got to wonder just how AS is going to do on those direct-competition TCONs (see my earlier comments). I suspect there's enough business for them to take a slice, but aside from that? No clue, seeing as they have no non-AA feeder business on the East Coast as far as I can tell.
Edit: I suspect that if the AS/AA situation wasn't being pushed from above and was a result of tension between the two, AA would've ripped up almost all of the codeshares. IIRC quite a few remain intact.
That said, I've got to wonder just how AS is going to do on those direct-competition TCONs (see my earlier comments). I suspect there's enough business for them to take a slice, but aside from that? No clue, seeing as they have no non-AA feeder business on the East Coast as far as I can tell.
Edit: I suspect that if the AS/AA situation wasn't being pushed from above and was a result of tension between the two, AA would've ripped up almost all of the codeshares. IIRC quite a few remain intact.
Jan 12, 2018, 6:55 am
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AA controls T8 (where AS's flights were). AA wasn't about to host AS flying SFO/LAX-JFK for obvious "duh, we're not going to help a competitor flying a directly competitive route" reasons. Same deal with DL. Same deal with B6. If there wasn't room to expand at T4 where VX was... you tell me, where was AS going to go, especially if BA was going to let them share T7 and do some refurbishments, and AS could get their own lounge space out of the deal (which apparently is going to be April)? JFK isn't like SEA where AS can throw their weight around as a primary tenant and get a lot done for them because they're 50% of the airport. Yeah, sure, ideally T7 would have been refurbished already, and free ice cream and ponies could be given to all the VX veterans too. The real world sometimes doesn't work out ideally.
I'm looking at some prices in may, they are around $600 for SEA, $700 for LAS and in many cases $900 to well over $1000 for SFO/LAX. These are not good prices for what they are offering.
Jan 12, 2018, 9:15 am
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I was chatting recently with a fellow who expressed disgust at the AS gates @ PHL, which sounded similar to BOS.
Jan 12, 2018, 11:06 am
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Fun Fact: LAX T3 (which is a crap terminal) was VX's old terminal (and before that, AS's). I've been there while the bathrooms have had problems with sewage backups. It's STILL not refurbished, years after VX moved there (except for some stuff VX was willing to pay for after they moved there). But AS is apparently the WORST AIRLINE EVER since they moved to T7 before BA's refurbs are done.
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Jan 12, 2018, 12:14 pm
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Airline terminal moves aren't often "well, you can do this whenever you'd like", especially if you're not a primary tenant. Even when you are, you could still end up with a crummy terminal while things are fixed up for you (see: DL at LAX in T2/T3).
Fun Fact: LAX T3 (which is a crap terminal) was VX's old terminal (and before that, AS's). I've been there while the bathrooms have had problems with sewage backups. It's STILL not refurbished, years after VX moved there (except for some stuff VX was willing to pay for after they moved there). But AS is apparently the WORST AIRLINE EVER since they moved to T7 before BA's refurbs are done.
Fun Fact: LAX T3 (which is a crap terminal) was VX's old terminal (and before that, AS's). I've been there while the bathrooms have had problems with sewage backups. It's STILL not refurbished, years after VX moved there (except for some stuff VX was willing to pay for after they moved there). But AS is apparently the WORST AIRLINE EVER since they moved to T7 before BA's refurbs are done.