Dec 6, 2017, 7:08 am
Last edit by: missamo80
Ending April 30, 2018
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi...e-partners/klm
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi...ers/air-france
Tickets booked through December 5th, 2017, will earn miles regardless of travel dates.
Tickets booked on or after December 6th, 2017 for travel through April 30, 2018 will earn miles.
Tickets booked on or after December 6th, 2017 for travel beginning May 1, 2018 will not earn miles.
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi...e-partners/klm
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi...ers/air-france
Effective April 30, 2018 the partnership between KLM and Alaska Airlines will end. Our other global partners serve all of the top destinations members have earned miles to in the past with KLM, but we recognize that this change leaves a gap in coverage to some small European destinations. Europe continues to be a key focus area, served by partners including British Airways, Icelandair, Condor, and Finnair, and we’ll continue to evaluate additional partnerships to serve your needs both to and within Europe.
Effective April 30th, 2018, the partnership between Air France and Alaska Airlines will end. Our other global partners serve all of the top destinations members have earned miles to in the past with Air France, but we recognize that this change leaves a gap in coverage to some small European destinations. Europe continues to be a key focus area, served by partners including British Airways, Icelandair, Condor, and Finnair, and we'll continue to evaluate additional partnerships to serve your needs both to and within Europe.
Tickets booked on or after December 6th, 2017 for travel through April 30, 2018 will earn miles.
Tickets booked on or after December 6th, 2017 for travel beginning May 1, 2018 will not earn miles.
Confirmed: AF/KLM partnership ending April 30th 2018!
Dec 11, 2017, 3:53 pm
#196
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Between SFO and STS
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In all seriousness, I'm simply suggesting that TK does well to fill a gap that now exists. BA (+ DE & AY) are still available for more 'direct' routing to Europe.
Dec 11, 2017, 4:04 pm
#197
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Some are here to collect miles, but a lot of folks who want to credit miles are not about to add a lot of travel time by inconvenient Europe routings. TK may be more useful for Africa/ME/Asia than Europe for US-based passengers (which wouldn't be bad because losing AF/KL reduced Africa coverage substantially).
Dec 12, 2017, 12:10 am
#198
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Some are here to collect miles, but a lot of folks who want to credit miles are not about to add a lot of travel time by inconvenient Europe routings. TK may be more useful for Africa/ME/Asia than Europe for US-based passengers (which wouldn't be bad because losing AF/KL reduced Africa coverage substantially).
Dec 12, 2017, 8:40 am
#199
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Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
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Yeah, but you're part of the "I'm an insane FTer who can't get enough of aluminum tubes, I voluntarily subject myself to them just to get the miles" contingent. Which I admit does exist here, but it's not enough to run an airline on (or I suspect to make a reasonable FF partnership on).
Dec 12, 2017, 2:18 pm
#200
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northern California
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Posts: 186
It cannot be over-emphasized how important this factor is.
Dec 12, 2017, 2:39 pm
#201
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Between SFO and STS
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold, United Serf, Delta Gold
Posts: 731
Dec 17, 2017, 8:27 pm
#203
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Delta, BC
Posts: 1,646
No chance of an AS partnership with WS.
As you reference - with the WS JV with Delta on transborder which will role out progressively over next 18 months, this seems to be an exclusivity agreement with DL, to the point that all AA codeshares were also terminated same weekend.
As you reference - with the WS JV with Delta on transborder which will role out progressively over next 18 months, this seems to be an exclusivity agreement with DL, to the point that all AA codeshares were also terminated same weekend.
Looks like Delta (and Air France/KLM) don't play nice with in the big sandbox.
Dec 18, 2017, 12:53 am
#204
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Programs: AA ExPlat, AS MVP Gold
Posts: 909
That is NOT something I've read anywhere on FT. Could you be more specific? If it's over on TripAdvisor, I'd have my doubts about veracity. It also doesn't make any sense...absent some other more compelling considerations. Also, if you're going to cite alarmist reports like this, it is at least useful to provide a link or two for others to follow. I'm quite curious myself as I have IAH-IST on KL connecting via TK to TLV. I also have a fun return TLV-AMM--IST on RJ connecting back to IAH on KL again. I see a small potential for problems in the event of a misconnect (mitigated in part if I plunk down the $200 for a 90-day visa, which are supposedly being issued), but a future SSSS issue is not one of them. Thank you for the additional detail.
Dec 18, 2017, 12:57 am
#205
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Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
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Dec 18, 2017, 1:02 am
#206
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I think USA-Turkey geopolitics make any AS partnership with TK problematic; we're talking about the national airline of a country where getting a visa for a US citizen is a pain in the posterior at the moment (unlike, well, most of Europe). It doesn't strike me as the most logical new European partner for AS: "Sorry, your onward flight to Rome's been cancelled, but since you don't have a visa for Turkey, you can't leave the airport, Ms. MVP Gold."
Take the Erdogan-Trump chest thumping out of the mix, however. How do you see the dynamic then? I've been surprised with the breadth of the TK European network.
Jan 5, 2018, 4:25 pm
#207
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Location: PDX
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LY (El Al) has announced upcoming TLV-SFO service: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1ES0IP
Appears that LY codeshares or partners with QF and AA among others, so perhaps a candidate for future AS linkup.
Appears that LY codeshares or partners with QF and AA among others, so perhaps a candidate for future AS linkup.
Jan 7, 2018, 8:00 pm
#208
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Location: Denver
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LY (El Al) has announced upcoming TLV-SFO service: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1ES0IP
Appears that LY codeshares or partners with QF and AA among others, so perhaps a candidate for future AS linkup.
Appears that LY codeshares or partners with QF and AA among others, so perhaps a candidate for future AS linkup.
Jan 8, 2018, 9:49 am
#209
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Location: PDX
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Jan 11, 2018, 1:16 pm
#210
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Just redeem my first and last redemption on KL J from YYZ-AMS 2 nights ago. There were alot of availability few weeks ago and drying up fast. I managed to select the last direct asiel seat (only 3), I booked the free segement on AF. Which is operated on HOP, so I don't know what to except from them.
Last edited by Jma12; Jan 12, 2018 at 5:20 pm