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Old Sep 13, 17, 10:23 pm   #16
  
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Yeah, pitch is 41" as I understand, so same as the reconfigured planes currently have. Legroom might be slightly better if the new seatback is thinner. Per the article, seat will not have a legrest, but just a fold-out footrest. Probably just a metal bar that folds down from the back of the seat in front of you. Amtrak has this style of footrest on some of the seats on their trains. I find them pretty useless.
Yes, can be seen in the second photo in the article



JAL has them in their PE seats. Sometimes it's ok, other times it's annoying. If it's like that kind, the footrest automatically locks so you have to pull it all the way up to readjust it. Anything blocking it such as a shifted underseat bag makes it more difficult and appear to be jammed.

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I dread them. They always seem designed for shorter individuals, and impact leg room negatively.
I wonder about the 20-21" width in the article- is one of the seats narrower? Looks like the center console is less flush than the previous one and intrudes into the leg more. The aisle side appears to be narrower as well so more opportunity to get bumped during boarding. Not sure about the protruding head cushion that precludes a flush seat back.

The whole thing seems to be a PR piece written by a easily snowed reporter. Lots of comparison to coach seating, which is ridiculous. How does it compare to other F seats on Alaska and Alaska's competitors?

Last in the article's photo lineup:

I guess these will be fondly remembered in the future?
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Old Sep 13, 17, 10:56 pm   #17
  
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Alaska gives "snails pace" a whole new meaning.
You're surprised? The N concourse BR took how long to open? They're still not done putting PC in the 900ERs at least 18 months after it was announced.
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Old Sep 13, 17, 11:06 pm   #18
  
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You're surprised? .
I am NEVER surprised at how slow anything gets done at AS
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Old Sep 14, 17, 6:22 am   #19
  
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I am NEVER surprised at how slow anything gets done at AS
The production lead time for seats is about 24 months, longer when certification is required (likely for any new seat program at an airline). I suppose AS could have avoided announcing the new seats in advance, ordered them, waited the few years it would take to take delivery of all the retrofited seats and then suddenly told everyone that it'd be done in a few weeks/months.

In aviation, there are not many schedules you can pay throw money at to accelerate.
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Old Sep 14, 17, 8:30 am   #20
  
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[QUOTE=rustykettel;28813490]Yes, can be seen in the second photo in the article



That's disappointing. The seat "out of the box" like in the Recaro brochure with the actual leg rest looks nice. The fold down footrest not so much. Also concerns me that somebody constantly moving there feet or putting pressure on these will cause movement of seat in front??

What do they do for bulkhead seats? Mount them on the bulkhead??
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Old Sep 14, 17, 10:25 am   #21
  
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What do they do for bulkhead seats? Mount them on the bulkhead??
I believe JAL handles it by not putting a foot rest in for bulkhead PE, at least on the 77W. I haven't sat in that row so far. The compensation is extra legroom.
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Old Sep 14, 17, 1:46 pm   #22
  
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Color me unimpressed as well.

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Woerner, the Alaska vice president, said lots of pocket space was a commonly requested feature from customers, and the new seat delivers with multiple pouches on the side of and in front of the seat.
Really - a common requested feature? And "on the side of"?
SMH

Like the idea of the cup holders, but they are going be crumb collectors from cinnamon cookies and who knows what else. Look for those to not be cleaned well.

On the plus side, the power port arrangement is much improved over the current seat.
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Old Sep 14, 17, 2:24 pm   #23
  
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Color me unimpressed as well.

Also read this:


Really - a common requested feature? And "on the side of"?
SMH

Like the idea of the cup holders, but they are going be crumb collectors from cinnamon cookies and who knows what else. Look for those to not be cleaned well.

On the plus side, the power port arrangement is much improved over the current seat.
Agree, if the cupholders are deeper than the tray indentations now, not only will they collect crumbs but also other stuff will fall into them - and on a plane, not all the cups are the same size - coffee mugs, wine glasses, cocktails - what cup holders will fit all those?
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Old Sep 14, 17, 7:22 pm   #24
  
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and on a plane, not all the cups are the same size - coffee mugs, wine glasses, cocktails - what cup holders will fit all those?
That's a slow ball right over the plate... just standardize on a single drink container! Save on catering costs at the same time too.
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Old Sep 15, 17, 7:38 am   #25
  
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"When they’re installed on Alaska’s aircraft starting in late 2018".....with a complete retro-fit a few years later

Alaska gives "snails pace" a whole new meaning.

I do commercial aircraft reconfiguration for a living.

It is not unusual for it to be at least a year between contract award and the start of the mod.

Depending on the size of the fleet, it can easily be a year or two to mod all the aircraft involved.
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Old Sep 15, 17, 2:22 pm   #26
  
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Agree that side pockets are usually filthy and repulsive. Wish they would install legrests.
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Old Sep 15, 17, 4:59 pm   #27
  
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The location of USB and power port is an imporvment
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Old Sep 16, 17, 11:18 am   #28
  
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Wonder if we'll see these on the VX fleet first?
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Old Sep 16, 17, 11:49 am   #29
  
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Yes, can be seen in the second photo in the article
Wonder why AS doesn't want to include the legrest that is shown in the brochure version in the seat back? Added weight?

Also, the article doesn't say if the seat recline will be any greater than it is presently. Overall, I'm trying to figure what aspect of these seats is an improvement, apart having more seatback storage and better location of the usb/power ports.
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Old Sep 16, 17, 12:13 pm   #30
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Airlines don't pull planes out of flying status just to change the seats, they will add it to another scheduled maintenance operation. So it will take time to get it done. Went through a configuration change on UA when I flew them and it took forever too.
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