WebTraveler

You make an assumption that normal can be achieved.....keep in mind that losses continue to occur in the pilot ranks. The schedule has been hacked, and it's still inconsistent. And Alaska is on record of saying they will add 30 new city pairs by the end of 2018.....so that will draw on the system as well.

Horizon is relieved that the Santa Rosa flights are cancelled because of the fires today....allows them to make it seem like they can cover other routes.

Asquared1

I think this was the original question this morning, is it still inconsistent? Are we still seeing close in cancellations due to pilot shortage? Have you seen recent examples of this or are you just posting your daily AS slam?

WebTraveler

Alaska has cancelled several non-stops out of Portland until at least Spring....St Louis, Kansas City to name a few. Plus some PDX-SEA flights are always cancelled.

Medford is still on Alaska's hit list.

Yes, its still inconsistent.

ucdtim17

He's asking if flights are still getting canceled day to day. We've seen the large scale scheduled reductions and suspensions but are all the flights on the reduced schedule generally flying at a ~normal rate?

rustykettel

First am EUG to PDX was cancelled this morning so appears to still be happening.

Asquared1

Interesting that it shows up on the Cxl board , but shows on AS flight schedule as not operating on Sat this week. Any idea when they cancelled it?

jsguyrus

I don't work for QX or AS so I don't have inside information, however, from what I have read new pilot classes are having a net positive affect even accounting for pilots continuing to leave QX and go to the majors. The gains will be slow but QX is suggesting they will be back to status quo in February. I kind of doubt that and think it will probably mid year. Yes QX still has cancellations but it with their schedule drawn down I suspect the majority of cancellations are for MX etc.

As far as the 30 new city pair, I don't think that will happen unless it is done by SkyWest. SkyWest is taking delivery of 5 E175's that had been ordered by Horizon (thus creating another union lawsuit).

WebTraveler

I think there are still cancellations day to day. You'd hope they'd cancel in advance rather than do day to day.

From what I can gather, there are five cancellations (inbound/outbound combined) from PDX today, all Horizon. Three are associated with Santa Rosa. Santa Rosa being temporarily pulled might provide them some relief.

Seattle is showing seven cancellations today, one is mainline, the others are are Horizon.

I could look for more, but I do not think the issue is solved yet.

LaneW

Correct. What I need to know is if the cancellations are continuing, improving or getting worse. I have flights to book between now and the end of the year and am reluctant to book on AS now.

I really wish that they would not sell seats on flights that are going to get cancelled!

ucdtim17

Incremental updates continue. PDX-SMF/OAK 737 schedule extended from Dec 1-15 to Dec 1-Jan 2.

Just make them permanent and be done with it. Then they won't have to deal with me complaining about Q400s ever again and I can stop bothering with all this schedule update minutia.

Asquared1

PDX today, a couple more OO flights cxl'ed (3488 & 3380) and replaced by what I assume are QX flights (9371 & 9376)

LaneW

Thats interesting - does it suggest a let up on the cancellations, or just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?

Asquared1

Saw one on Saturday as well. Also noticed out of PDX 1 or 2 OO flights a day that have 5-6 hours delays posted very early in day that seem more like crew issue than mechanical. Perhaps OO is starting to get a little thin.

rustykettel

Over on the pilots forum, Skywest is getting thin as well. They've appearently got more DL flying to cover along with the AS increase.

WillTravel4Food

I've said this before, this is a system wide issue with the industry. The early affect upon individual airlines was based on the airline failing to step up to the plate and offer salary and bonuses comparable to other airlines. Once everybody (i.e., airlines) realize(s/d) they need to be on par with everybody else, then pay differentiation will become less of a factor and those new pilots coming into the system will pick jobs based on company and domicile. I'm getting the sense that the regionals are finally stepping up to the plate and offering starting salaries that are on par (I'm probably wrong to some degree and anybody who has more data on this please share.) But the bottom line is that until the pipeline of new pilots matches the industry need, it will be pretty much like rearranging the deck chairs...