QX cutting flights due to pilot shortage
#511
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Oh come on.....First a Q400 is anything but "flying a computer", and yeah back in the day lots of things were different and I didn't have grey hair.. However, back in the day you could live on $20,000 a year. Try being a new co-pilot assigned to Seattle and making $36,000!!
Well back in the day, most FOs also waited to have kids & whatnot until they were flying a bigger airplane or for a larger airline. Most of the FOs flying the Beech 1900s, Jetstreams, Brasilias, and Saabs were barely 20 years old - if even.
The economy has changed, but I think the profession has gotten a bit of an ego. The drivers after Colgan wouldn't have changed the crash, the main evils brought out were dealing with a sh*tty company, not necessarily bad pilots (although, pulling BACK during a stall is a big no no). I think they went too far with the 1500 hour rule and it needs to be relaxed, but in a manner that's also not going to tank the Part 135 world as well.
Just food for thought to think about: I mentioned the Metro III and Beech 1900 - both 19 seaters; provided a great opportunity to train pilots. Now its with 74 seaters. Let that sink in, too.
#512
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Well this cost AS their first actual business loss from me. Just booked spouse on UA to IND to avoid the PDX-SEA lottery. Normally she'd have gone AS but it's just getting too shaky - I might be willing to jump around on flights as they dump them but I didn't see the point in doing that to her.
#513
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My friends going up from SAN to YVR for a cruise in July spent about 8 hours at SEA due to a QX cancellation. One of them can't get around very well without assistance. What a pain that was. They couldn't get a later flight out of SAN (sold out) or an earlier connection in YVR (nothing operating). Fortunately they followed the first rule of always getting in at least 24 hours ahead of your cruise.
#514
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"Crew rest" delay messed up the 1st day of my long-planned vacation
Set up boi-pdx-bos trip many months ago, using GGUs. Looking forward to a relaxing experience in F. Awoke at 5am on Tue. and checked my email/text messages while making coffee. And I see "your boi-pdx flt has been delayed". Stomach drops. I call AS and after 10-12 min. on hold they tell me it's a 3+ hr. delay because of "crew rest" ( I asked, she didn't volunteer) so I'll miss connection to BOS. To AS's credit the rep. found us flts on UA, boi-sfo-bos. That's the good news. The bad news was that we were in Y, in middle seats in different rows. We survived and arrived BOS about 2 hrs later than originally planned. We survived but are really saddened by the pilot shortage. Some of the folks upstream were damaged a lot more than we were.
The rep. said a supervisor was going to fix it so we could use the GGUs at a future day. Where would I find that in my account? Thx
The rep. said a supervisor was going to fix it so we could use the GGUs at a future day. Where would I find that in my account? Thx
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#515
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sorry you got hosed up, but -- as you said -- at least you got there without too much delay
there should be new GGUs in My Wallet (well, your Wallet ) under "Guest Upgrades - Valid" and they should have a 12/31/2018 expiration date
there should be new GGUs in My Wallet (well, your Wallet ) under "Guest Upgrades - Valid" and they should have a 12/31/2018 expiration date
#516
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Set up boi-pdx-bos trip many months ago, using GGUs. Looking forward to a relaxing experience in F. Awoke at 5am on Tue. and checked my email/text messages while making coffee. And I see "your boi-pdx flt has been delayed". Stomach drops. I call AS and after 10-12 min. on hold they tell me it's a 3+ hr. delay because of "crew rest" ( I asked, she didn't volunteer) so I'll miss connection to BOS. To AS's credit the rep. found us flts on UA, boi-sfo-bos. That's the good news. The bad news was that we were in Y, in middle seats in different rows. We survived and arrived BOS about 2 hrs later than originally planned. We survived but are really saddened by the pilot shortage. Some of the folks upstream were damaged a lot more than we were.
The rep. said a supervisor was going to fix it so we could use the GGUs at a future day. Where would I find that in my account? Thx
The rep. said a supervisor was going to fix it so we could use the GGUs at a future day. Where would I find that in my account? Thx
#517
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You mean they usually credit the miles even though we flew UA? Yes, I'd expect some "inconvenience" miles or cash/discounts. What range should I be expecting? Haven't had time to call yet. Thanks!!
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For QX cancellations, I've received $100-200 in discount code money as a Gold.
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I've been successful by emailing [email protected] and request original routing credit for an involuntary reroute. Attach receipt/confirmation along with original boarding passes (if those were already issued). I try to dummyproof it a bit by also putting the flight numbers, origin/destination airport codes, dates, purchased fare class for each segment along with the ticket number in the body of the email. If I remember at the time, I'll ask the counter or phone agent to put a notation on the reservation that I'll be requesting original routing credit.
For QX cancellations, I've received $100-200 in discount code money as a Gold.
For QX cancellations, I've received $100-200 in discount code money as a Gold.
#520
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This thread is wandering a bit. I would like to know if there is a way we can keep track of whether cancellations are increasing or decreasing, what routes are being effected regularly, etc.... should a new thread be started?
I had been watching cancellations on Flightstats, but they don't show anymore. I just would like to know if things are getting better or worse.
I had been watching cancellations on Flightstats, but they don't show anymore. I just would like to know if things are getting better or worse.
#521
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This thread is wandering a bit. I would like to know if there is a way we can keep track of whether cancellations are increasing or decreasing, what routes are being effected regularly, etc.... should a new thread be started?
I had been watching cancellations on Flightstats, but they don't show anymore. I just would like to know if things are getting better or worse.
I had been watching cancellations on Flightstats, but they don't show anymore. I just would like to know if things are getting better or worse.
One interesting thing I saw today. It seems lately that Cxl's that are done x(?) days out are now being treated as "schedule changes" (i.e, do not appear in AS on line schedule and do not show up as Cxl's). I looked at PDX's board today, PDX-SEA #3393 (an OO flight) shows up as Cxl, but is not on schedule and was seemingly replaced by a "scheduled" QX flight at same time with a 9xxx flight # (9373). Interesting that an OO flight is being treated differently and that a QX flight was seemingly taken (back?) from OO which is something different.
#523
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I've seen day of cancellations show up on the monitor, like all the STS flights cancelled due to the firestorm. But there seem to be far fewer operational cancellations now that OO is covering more QC flights.
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#524
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This thread is wandering a bit. I would like to know if there is a way we can keep track of whether cancellations are increasing or decreasing, what routes are being effected regularly, etc.... should a new thread be started?
I had been watching cancellations on Flightstats, but they don't show anymore. I just would like to know if things are getting better or worse.
I had been watching cancellations on Flightstats, but they don't show anymore. I just would like to know if things are getting better or worse.
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I can see QX replacing OO as it sounds like a CRJ went MX on the 12th affecting several friends flights to PSC (both on the 12th and 13th) with multi-hour delays. Basically I think OO's CRJ operation was shifted.