QX cutting flights due to pilot shortage

Reply

Old Oct 1, 17, 4:45 pm
  #406  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Programs: AS MVP, Marriott Gold, SPG Gold
Posts: 187
Originally Posted by Repooc17 View Post
Do we know how much longer pilot shortages -> flight cancellations will continue?
There was an article in The Oregonian today that talks about the cancellations. I would post a link but I can't since I don't have more than 5 posts here. But, it says that the situation should improve around the end of the year. Here is a quote:

Representatives say newly hired pilots currently being trained to fly Q400 turboprop aircraft should graduate by the end of the year and allow the regional carrier to return to its normal schedule, which mostly offers shorter flights throughout the Pacific Northwest.
Edit: looks like asquared1 was posting the same thing and included the link.
Whowouldanewman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 6:00 pm
  #407  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: EUG/PDX
Programs: AS MVP Au, UA Ag, Marriott Ti, IHG Au, HH Ag, Nexus, Pilot FlyingJ Preferred, *$ Au
Posts: 3,927
Interesting bit in the O article:
People wanting to take short hops, say between Portland and Medford, can be rebooked from a nonstop flight to another carrier
Welcome to FT Whowouldanewman!
rustykettel is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 6:37 pm
  #408  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Portland, Oregon
Programs: Hilton Gold, Marriott Silver, Alaska MVP Gold
Posts: 2,191
Originally Posted by rustykettel View Post
Interesting bit in the O article:


Welcome to FT Whowouldanewman!
Sure it does - they'll wrap you all over the place to get there. LOL. Incredible.
WebTraveler is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 6:49 pm
  #409  
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: EUG
Programs: AS MVP, HH Gold, SPG/Marriott Plat, and a bunch of other stuff I guess
Posts: 26
Originally Posted by Baze View Post
That doesn't help. Trying to figure out what their specific question is.
I read it as "how have the QX cancellations affected your future plans and/or loyalty to AS?" OP, please correct if I am wrong. Makes sense to me to have a thread for that specifically, and the other thread for discussing the direct operational impact.

That said... for what it's worth, since I took a new job I have been MVPG on AS the past two years, and been caught in this mess like so many others. Twice this fall I've had to rebook after a cancellation, and two other times I've ended up booking another airline because the only AS flights that worked were cancelled or full. Between that and the loss of partnerships I am on the fence about going for the Delta Skymiles status match.

EUG is a similar situation to MFR at this point. I think DL has decided they'll try to eat AS's lunch and have started EUG-SEA as well - hence they are gaining market share like crazy while Alaska is losing. I like AS a lot but they really, really need to do better.
metaldirtnskin is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 7:21 pm
  #410  
Moderator: Alaska Mileage Plan
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 9,808
Moderator Note: Related discussions of the QX pilot shortage have been and will be merged into this thread.

dayone, AS/VX Moderator
dayone is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 9:29 pm
  #411  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 3,067
Originally Posted by Asquared1 View Post
Article from OregonLive today seems a bit optimistic in calling for relief by end of year:

http://www.oregonlive.com/travel/ind...art_river_home
The newly graduating pilots will cover Q400 routes, but they're also cancelling E175 routes - are they using E175s to cover some routes that would normally be Q400 and they'll restore them when they have the Q400 pilots, or do they have a shortage with the E175s, too, and it's just been lower profile?
chrisl137 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 9:38 pm
  #412  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Benicia CA
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold 75K, AA 3.8MM, UA 1.1MM, enjoying the retired life
Posts: 31,039
Originally Posted by sltlyamusd View Post
I wonder if you could request the WN nonstop if the Sea-Stl cancels?
Do any of the major carriers have an interline agreement with Southwest? I've never seen AA or UA reroute passengers over to Southwest, so I'd be surprised if Alaska/Horizon has an agreement to do that. It's just Southwest's way of doing business.
tom911 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 9:44 pm
  #413  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Hayden Lake, ID
Programs: AS MVPG 75K, DL Gold, Hilton Gold
Posts: 102
Originally Posted by flytoeat View Post
Wow. What's up?
God, it worse than I thought. 33 in one day?

I've only had four flights cancelled, but look at us - saying only four - and trading ideas about how to reroute. Isn't it pathetic that we are all having to find ways to work around this mess?

Why don't they just not sell tickets for flights if they don't plan to fly them? (I know, they were booked moths ago, like mine) Just so frustrated and disappointed in them.

This will likely cause me to fall short of my segments for 75K... I wonder if they care enough to make any accommodations for that?

Is anyone from AS listening/watching?
LaneW is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 10:17 pm
  #414  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: EUG/PDX
Programs: AS MVP Au, UA Ag, Marriott Ti, IHG Au, HH Ag, Nexus, Pilot FlyingJ Preferred, *$ Au
Posts: 3,927
Originally Posted by chrisl137 View Post
The newly graduating pilots will cover Q400 routes, but they're also cancelling E175 routes - are they using E175s to cover some routes that would normally be Q400 and they'll restore them when they have the Q400 pilots, or do they have a shortage with the E175s, too, and it's just been lower profile?
Some of the new hires are going straight to the E175 according to the thread over at airlinepilotcentral. It sounds like the shortage of pilots is hurting both Q400 and E175 operations really. Less E175 operations overall right now but there's that the delay in taking delivery of new planes. I'm not clear on how the separation between the two aircraft works if a pilot is qualified for both, if they can be forced over to one or the other.
rustykettel is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 1, 17, 10:46 pm
  #415  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Bay Area, CA
Programs: UA Plat 2MM; AS MVP Gold 75K
Posts: 34,900
Originally Posted by tom911 View Post
Do any of the major carriers have an interline agreement with Southwest? I've never seen AA or UA reroute passengers over to Southwest, so I'd be surprised if Alaska/Horizon has an agreement to do that. It's just Southwest's way of doing business.
They don't need an interline agreement to get you on another carrier. They can cut you a check.

AS did that for me years ago on a cancel. Not sure if they still do that, but it's doable.
channa is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 2, 17, 7:03 am
  #416  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Programs: Alaska Airlines MVP Gold 75K
Posts: 475
Originally Posted by channa View Post
They don't need an interline agreement to get you on another carrier. They can cut you a check.

AS did that for me years ago on a cancel. Not sure if they still do that, but it's doable.
Same here. It took some "discussion" with the CS rep and it helps that I've been 75K for over 10 years but they did it.
IStream is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 2, 17, 9:13 am
  #417  
Moderator: Alaska Mileage Plan
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 9,808
Originally Posted by IStream View Post
I've been 75K for over 10 years.
When did AS add the 75K level?
dayone is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 2, 17, 9:59 am
  #418  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold
Posts: 721
Originally Posted by dayone View Post
When did AS add the 75K level?
If my Gmail archive is to be believed, in 2010.
Calculon is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 2, 17, 10:15 am
  #419  
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 2,302
Originally Posted by dayone View Post
When did AS add the 75K level?
From my email archive:

"2010 also saw the launch of the new MVP Gold 75K tier. For those who have reached, or will soon reach, this status — congratulations! If not, we still greatly appreciate your business and will continue to offer you all the benefits you currently enjoy."
flytoeat is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 2, 17, 10:58 am
  #420  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: TUS/PDX
Programs: WN CP/A-List, AS MVPG75K
Posts: 5,626
Originally Posted by rustykettel View Post
I'm not clear on how the separation between the two aircraft works if a pilot is qualified for both, if they can be forced over to one or the other.
I don’t believe you can be qualified to fly both aircraft at the same time, unless they’re from the same “family” (ie 737NG/MAX, 757/767, A319/20/21 etc).
tusphotog is offline  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Search this Thread