QX cutting flights due to pilot shortage

Old Sep 19, 17, 5:36 pm
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I started flying PDX-DEN on F9 after As dropped the route. For a 2-hour flight, $100RT is decent, as long as you just have a bag for under the seat.

And, as I said once before, for $38.40 RT (which I have had ore than once), I will put up with a lot.

I am guessing similar fares to COS.
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Old Sep 19, 17, 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by jinglish View Post
e_c's point still stands. SEA-COS is possibly a market F9 could get to work for them, but PDX-PSC isn't going to happen with them, and it's questionable if DL can make it work--PDX isn't a hub for them like it is for AS.
AS also sees this as a temporary problem, and keeping new SFO routes starting is better in the long run, assuming these cut routes will start up again once the pilot situation balances out.
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Old Sep 19, 17, 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by jinglish View Post
e_c's point still stands. SEA-COS is possibly a market F9 could get to work for them, but PDX-PSC isn't going to happen with them, and it's questionable if DL can make it work--PDX isn't a hub for them like it is for AS.
I didn't say every route would be filled with a competitor. Some will be, like SEA-COS. Just because a competitor isn't going to jump on PDX-PSC does not mean AS is not going to lose customers because of this. Other airlines fly other routes to PSC and they can gain market share from this.
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Old Sep 19, 17, 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Asquared1 View Post
Not sure of your logic here. AS has 20+ departures a day from PDX to SEA even with the cutbacks. If they are cutting a couple of those it would hardly be a "bye-bye" signal, am I missing something here?

AS is also funding terminal expansion at PDX as well, aren't they?
I don't need to fly to Seattle to go somewhere. I can take a competitor on a non-stop flight if I need to. Why do I need to take PDX-SEA-MCI? or PDX-SEA-STL I can go non-stop on Southwest? I can also make it to Denver on Southwest. I can make it to the Bay Area, San Diego, Dallas, Chicago and many other places I go. If I need to change airplanes I might as well change in a place that makes sense rather than fly out of my way to Seattle?

I also do not like the AA and DL changes. We had much of America covered before, this Virgin Air thing is just bullsh** for existing customers.

So yes, it is the Great PDX screw job by Brad Tilton.

A good marketing campaign by Southwest could net some good business out of Portland. A lot of us don't like the seating game on Southwest, but I will tell you this - 95% of the time I will take a nonstpp flight versus a change flight. Time is money.
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Old Sep 19, 17, 8:06 pm
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Originally Posted by lg20 View Post
AS also sees this as a temporary problem, and keeping new SFO routes starting is better in the long run, assuming these cut routes will start up again once the pilot situation balances out.
Pilot situation is not going to get better anytime soon. This is a long term problem. Long term you will see traffic being ferried to SFO or Seattle. From a purely business decision this is maybe what makes more money. But Alaska was a dominant airline out of Portland. In the future will they maintain?

If I have to change planes then I am not so loyal. I am loyal if it works for me. if i have to change planes I am less loyal. I also might take a more convenient option. Changing planes in Seattle is a hassle. You get off Horizon and have to walk outside and around up stairs, ramps, etc., and often board a train. Its not easy. Connecting in SFO equally a pain, being a congested airport with variable weather issues.

If I need to go east I might as well fly to Dallas or Minneapolis or wherever to change. Flying south to SFO 1.5 hrs plus layover doesn't get to the east coast or even central USA any quicker, in fact it takes longer.

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Old Sep 19, 17, 8:34 pm
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My husband and I have already started shifting some of our flying to Southwest because of the cuts and flight time changes to PDX-BUR. Stopping in SEA making a 2 hour trip a 5+ hour trip just doesn't work for us.
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Old Sep 19, 17, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by WebTraveler View Post
I don't need to fly to Seattle to go somewhere. I can take a competitor on a non-stop flight if I need to. Why do I need to take PDX-SEA-MCI? or PDX-SEA-STL I can go non-stop on Southwest? I can also make it to Denver on Southwest. I can make it to the Bay Area, San Diego, Dallas, Chicago and many other places I go. If I need to change airplanes I might as well change in a place that makes sense rather than fly out of my way to Seattle?

I also do not like the AA and DL changes. We had much of America covered before, this Virgin Air thing is just bullsh** for existing customers.

So yes, it is the Great PDX screw job by Brad Tilton.

A good marketing campaign by Southwest could net some good business out of Portland. A lot of us don't like the seating game on Southwest, but I will tell you this - 95% of the time I will take a nonstpp flight versus a change flight. Time is money.
I get the frustration, but the bottom line is PDX is a smaller market than SEA and SFO. The writing was always on the wall with the QX situation...if any hub was going to get hammered itís PDX. It stinks but it is what it is...complain using your wallet.
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Old Sep 20, 17, 7:22 am
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Being a little OCD in watching some November flights I have. I'm guessing the Nov. changes are coming any day now. Is there any pattern on the timing of the changes (Monday Morning?)?
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Old Sep 20, 17, 7:26 am
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PDX is a smaller market and AS is nowhere near a dominant carrier in California. With a limited number of resources, AS has chosen to start marginal routes from California rather than serve their existing customer base. Once a day flights from places like SFO to ABQ are hardly competitive with UA/WN which offer flights several times a day plus viable connections on them and AA/DL. Just booked WN from OAK to ABQ even with MVP Gold status on AS and no status on WN. Having only one viable option a day just doesn’t work. AS has their work cut out for them to compete from SFO as they brought very little to the table beyond what VX had. The additions make them only slightly more competitive but they do not dominate any route other than SFO to SEA.

It will be interesting to see how many resources they pull from the likes of PDX to try to compete against much bigger players already established in the CA market.

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Old Sep 20, 17, 8:45 am
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Hi -

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Old Sep 20, 17, 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by Asquared1 View Post
Being a little OCD in watching some November flights I have. I'm guessing the Nov. changes are coming any day now. Is there any pattern on the timing of the changes (Monday Morning?)?
I keep expecting it to come and it hasn't yet. Hopefully Sunday. We're getting close to one month out. For the flights I have booked I'd like to know if they're happening. For others I haven't booked yet, pricing has been abnormally high and static; I suspect they may be cancelled or changed.
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Old Sep 20, 17, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by WebTraveler View Post
Changing planes in Seattle is a hassle. You get off Horizon and have to walk outside and around up stairs, ramps, etc., and often board a train. Its not easy. Connecting in SFO equally a pain, being a congested airport with variable weather issues.
I've never minded the SEA layover but now with the QX uncertainty, I can't really utilise the SEA layovers anymore. I've done SFO layovers but only if I have to and I reserve those occasions for connections to intercontinental flights.
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Old Sep 20, 17, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Asquared1 View Post
AS is also funding terminal expansion at PDX as well, aren't they?
I don't believe so. AS is staying in B/C. WN is going to E and UA is moving to C.

Originally Posted by sfozrhfco View Post
Once a day flights from places like SFO to ABQ are hardly competitive with UA/WN which offer flights several times a day plus viable connections on them and AA/DL. Just booked WN from OAK to ABQ even with MVP Gold status on AS and no status on WN.
I've always wondered the strategy AS has behind these once a day flights. Who are they targeting with PDX-DFW? PDX-ORD? PDX-MSP? SFO-MSP? It's great if the flight works out on your schedule, like when MSP-PDX worked for me back in June, but who is the target customer for a once a day (or twice a day on SFO-MSP, with weird times)?

BTW, WN has a status match running right now. You should match into A+ with them.

Originally Posted by kevincrumbs View Post
I've never minded the SEA layover but now with the QX uncertainty, I can't really utilise the SEA layovers anymore. I've done SFO layovers but only if I have to and I reserve those occasions for connections to intercontinental flights.
I used to really like SEA layovers. It was easy switching QX flights as a 75K. Now with the ATC delays (hopefully those thin out now that summer is over), and the horrific QX operational status, it's awful up there. I've been changing in LAX and SAN more these days.
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Old Sep 20, 17, 4:19 pm
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Originally Posted by tusphotog View Post


I've always wondered the strategy AS has behind these once a day flights. Who are they targeting with PDX-DFW? PDX-ORD? PDX-MSP? SFO-MSP? It's great if the flight works out on your schedule, like when MSP-PDX worked for me back in June, but who is the target customer for a once a day (or twice a day on SFO-MSP, with weird times)?

BTW, WN has a status match running right now. You should match into A+ with them.
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WN matched me within minutes. Have a challenge to do 6 flights in 90 days to keep the status next year. Might not bother with that but get a few benefits for the upcoming flight to ABQ and back.

I also wonder why they are bothering with 1 flight a day when they could keep their existing schedule in tact and customers that actually prefer AS happy. Nobody is going to get excited about once a day on a regional jet when multiple competitors offer plenty of other options. All they are doing is lowering the yields for everybody and flying around planes with 15 seats sold/flight.

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Old Sep 20, 17, 11:33 pm
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[QUOTE=tusphotog;28839229]I don't believe so. AS is staying in B/C. WN is going to E and UA is moving to C.

AS will be cost sharing, they are expanding in C, pulling back in A as the Q400 are planned to decline. UA is staying in E and WN is moving to newE. I would expect some spillover into D when needed.
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