Jun 28, 2017, 8:46 pm
Last edit by: eponymous_coward
Cathay Award Guide Using Alaska Airlines Miles
Note: Cathay flights cannot be booked using alaskaair.com. Mileage requirements in chart form available on alaskaair.com.
Routing Rules:
North American Gateway Cities:
Western
Vancouver
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Seattle (Spring 2019)
Eastern (Can not be used if traveling to west coast)
Boston
Chicago
New York (JFK & EWR)
Toronto
Washington
Award Chart Links*:
Asia
Australia
Europe
India/Middle East
North America
Anyone with 90 posts and 90 days can edit the wiki. Everyone else if you want something added to the wiki please comment in the thread.
Note: Cathay flights cannot be booked using alaskaair.com. Mileage requirements in chart form available on alaskaair.com.
Request your Partner Award reservation on Cathay Pacific by calling Alaska Airlines Reservations at 1-800-252-7522 (TTY: Dial 711 for Relay Services) 5:00 a.m. - Midnight (PT), daily.
- If it's not on the award chart, it's not allowed. For example EUROPE is To/From HKG only.
- Stopover are only allowed on any CX award for North America awards as destination or origin. For instance: intra-Asia awards do not get a stopover. It must be a North America->Somewhere or Somewhere->North America award to qualify for a stopover.
- The only awards that do not break at HKG are intra-Asia or North American ones. For instance, Australia-Europe/Middle East/Asia outside of HKG will be two awards (breaking at HKG). The AS award chart can be misleading about this and give you the impression you can fly an award like Australia/Europe-ICN, but the chart for these award types will show "Hong Kong".
- One stop-over allowed on one way award. You can build open jaw and other advanced routings by booking multiple one way awards. Please note change fee rule below.
- Allegedly stop-over only in Hong Kong, but some have posted success in other enroute cities such as YVR or SEA.
- As of 5 June 2018 changes/cancellations made to a booking will incur a $125 fee which is waived for MVPG/MVPG75K. Bookings made prior to 5 June will be allowed one complimentary change or cancellation for up to 60 days prior to date of travel.
- Awards can be booked 330 days in advance.
- Cathay and Alaska (or an Alaska flight operated by SkyWest/Horizon on behalf of Alaska) are the only airlines allowed on a Cathay award. No other partner airlines may be used on a single award (e.g. American, JAL, Emirates).
North American Gateway Cities:
Western
Vancouver
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Seattle (Spring 2019)
Eastern (Can not be used if traveling to west coast)
Boston
Chicago
New York (JFK & EWR)
Toronto
Washington
Award Chart Links*:
Asia
Australia
Europe
India/Middle East
North America
Anyone with 90 posts and 90 days can edit the wiki. Everyone else if you want something added to the wiki please comment in the thread.
Cathay Pacific (CX) Award Redemption, Booking and Availability – 2017 and Later
Jun 11, 2018, 7:31 pm
#2296
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: A3 *G, AA exePlat, AS MVP 75k Gold, JL sapphire, UA silver
Posts: 4,035
CX cannot be used as a carrier for an itinerary between two points in the US, even if they are only flying an international itinerary. That is a cabotage violation. That is why AS will not book a single award USA-YVR-JFK. Cathay has the authority to transport passengers YVR-JFK on a single ticket, but not USA-YYR-JFK.
There is a rather famous for FT instance where you could construct itineraries on tickets that violated cabotage, although the carriers were all flying legal routes. Some FT wiseguy decided to fly a DOT complaint for some stupid reason on one of those tickets. Fines for violating cabotage ensued, and that little loophole went away. So yes, the DOT will fine you for cabotage if you let a ticketed itinerary to be constructed that violates it.
Jun 11, 2018, 9:02 pm
#2297
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,082
When booking this trip, I did NOT ask to go to JFK. I simply asked for YVR-HKG, and was presented the option to route via JFK.
Interestingly enough, when I did a search on JL at the time, I was also presented with YVR-JFK-HKG as an option.
So... is this actually not allowed by AS?
Jun 11, 2018, 11:11 pm
#2298
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
Jun 11, 2018, 11:36 pm
#2299
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: A3 *G, AA exePlat, AS MVP 75k Gold, JL sapphire, UA silver
Posts: 4,035
Jun 12, 2018, 12:18 pm
#2300
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,386
seawolf's interpretation is correct - as long as a US carrier flies a part of the itinerary and the foreign flag carrier's carriage is not between two US points, it is not cabotage.
Some examples to illustrate:
Cabotage:
AC SEA-YVR
CX YVR-JFK
Cabotage:
AS SEA-LAX
QF LAX-JFK
Not cabotage:
AS SEA-YVR
CX YVR-JFK
Some examples to illustrate:
Cabotage:
AC SEA-YVR
CX YVR-JFK
Cabotage:
AS SEA-LAX
QF LAX-JFK
Not cabotage:
AS SEA-YVR
CX YVR-JFK
Jun 12, 2018, 1:09 pm
#2301
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: CGK/LAX
Programs: KF,JMB, OZ, SPG,AA,UA,AS
Posts: 1,163
I was under the impression that Jeff's complaint was related to LAX-TPE-GUM on BR which you could book via AV before the complaint.
Last edited by gpeso8; Jun 12, 2018 at 1:15 pm
Jun 12, 2018, 7:37 pm
#2302
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SEA/ORD/ADB
Programs: TK ELPL (*G), AS 100K (OWE), BA Gold (OWE), Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Plat, IHG Plat
Posts: 7,763
The only reason AV took it much further is because the DOT complaint highlighted to them an unforeseen arbitrage opportunity with the definitions of their award chart.
Jun 12, 2018, 10:10 pm
#2303
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: NYC
Programs: AA 2MM, Bonvoy LTT, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 14,636
Jun 13, 2018, 5:37 am
#2304
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SEA/ORD/ADB
Programs: TK ELPL (*G), AS 100K (OWE), BA Gold (OWE), Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Plat, IHG Plat
Posts: 7,763
I don't believe there was ever any enforcement action taken, as BR correctly denied him boarding. No passengers were carried illegally.
The accomplishment of the DOT was that it highlighted to AV that they were issuing tickets that couldn't be flown.
The accomplishment of the DOT was that it highlighted to AV that they were issuing tickets that couldn't be flown.
Jun 13, 2018, 12:46 pm
#2305
Moderator: Alaska Mileage Plan
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 12,316
Topic Check: Let's keep the discussion related to CX Awards.
dayone, AS Moderator.
dayone, AS Moderator.
Jun 13, 2018, 2:21 pm
#2306
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
ICN-HKG-JFK-YVR is not allowed on a single award because it is backtracking. JFK-YVR-LAX requires 2 awards as explained clearly by eponymous_coward in the post IMMEDIATELY above yours.
HKG-JFK-YVR or LAX have been asked gazillion times on this thread as valid or not, and have been answered gazillions AS does NOT allow backtracking.
HKG-JFK-YVR or LAX have been asked gazillion times on this thread as valid or not, and have been answered gazillions AS does NOT allow backtracking.
James
Jun 13, 2018, 4:23 pm
#2307
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Programs: United Gold, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 207
Trying to check in in Ho Chi Minh city and my ticket booked via MileagePlan is associated with another name.
Not quite sure what I should do. I have Alaska and CX trying to work with each other.
Not quite sure what I should do. I have Alaska and CX trying to work with each other.
Last edited by plc44; Jun 13, 2018 at 4:24 pm Reason: clarity
Jun 13, 2018, 4:38 pm
#2308
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,535
What does “associated” mean? Is this a middle name issue, or does your ticket reflect somebody else’s name entirely?
Jun 13, 2018, 5:00 pm
#2309
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: BOS/ORH
Programs: AS 75K
Posts: 18,323
If its the not matching passport due to middle name not being on the reservation then no need to worry. I had that too but no problem when i checked in at airport. Now if its someone elses name in the entirety then no idea how they would solve that one
Jun 13, 2018, 5:07 pm
#2310
FlyerTalk Evangelist
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Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,386
So adamant that you and eponymous_coward are correct that you are dismissive to the gazillionth +1 poster? I say you MAY be incorrect or is it me??? �� lol. I won't post openly as what may not be true could become the truth if it isn't already as you say it is.
James
James
An award involving an origin outside the USA (ICN) as OP was suggesting would not have a problem with cabotage, so implying it would would be incorrect. The wiki clearly says "YMMV" on non-HKG stopovers (rules say no, people report yes sometimes, sometimes no), and also says East Coast-West Coast routings aren't allowed, but people are reporting getting them in the thread. The rule of thumb for anything that seems to be outside the norm is "play HUCA until you're either sick of it or you find an ignorant rep on the phone who will let you fly from LHR to EZE via JNB, SYD, NRT and JFK", per FT tradition when it comes to "how can I completely play hard and fast with routing rules because I love spending time in a metal tube drinking expensive champagne".
FWIW, I've booked AS awards using some significant backtracking using the website, so there does not seem to be a complete hard and fast tradition. I know for a fact AS will allow Mexico or Hawaii routings on a CX award that could incorporate backtracking, but those have been using AS hubs and West Coast CX international gateways.