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AS and VX Moved to T7 at JFK; New Alaska Lounge (April, 2018)

AS and VX Moved to T7 at JFK; New Alaska Lounge (April, 2018)

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Present state(as of 4/30/18)
  • AS/VX flights consolidated from T8/T4 to T7 in late 2017
  • Terminal 7 under construction
    • No TSA Precheck
    • Limited restaurant choices
  • Lounges:
    • Purchased day pass option revoked for Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse in T4
    • Alaska Lounge in T7 opened on April 30 2018. Accepts Priority Pass (usual caveats apply, see Priority Pass Denied Entry thread). Will be open 5 AM-10 PM, except 5 AM-5 PM on Saturdays.
    • No day pass access to BA lounge
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Old May 7, 19, 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by bkojote View Post
4- Alaska squeezes in to T8
+ They'll have access to most of their partners as well as AA. No need to build a new Alaska lounge.
- If AA didn't have room for them in 2017 they sure won't have room for them now.
I think it's wrong to believe that AA of 2017 is a good guidance for AA in 2019. I believe option 4 will occur, as AA has begun removing JFK as a primary hub. AA in 2018 had 10 hubs and they are beginning to consolidate their operations. JFK is one of the redundancies.

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Old May 7, 19, 11:58 am
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Originally Posted by jiburi View Post
I think it's wrong to believe that AA of 2017 is a good guidance for AA in 2019. I believe option 4 will occur, as AA has begun removing JFK as a primary hub. AA in 2018 had 10 hubs and they are beginning to consolidate their operations. JFK is one of the redundancies.

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You're saying they're going to drop JFK-LAX/SFO? Because that would be pretty mindblowing if so (and DL/B6 would start throwing a party if AA was going to unconditionally surrender on their transcon premium routes).

And if you're not saying they're surrendering on JFK-LAX/SFO... you're saying that AA is going to let AS operate JFK-LAX/SFO from T8 in direct competition with them? Also pretty mindblowing.
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Old May 7, 19, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by jiburi View Post
I think it's wrong to believe that AA of 2017 is a good guidance for AA in 2019. I believe option 4 will occur, as AA has begun removing JFK as a primary hub. AA in 2018 had 10 hubs and they are beginning to consolidate their operations. JFK is one of the redundancies.

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I think the AA direction is an O&D hub at JFK to pair better with PHL hub. TCONS and TATL are safe in that right sizing. Though it is a little remarkable to see flights to Florida cut from JFK. But it is a competitive market with high costs.
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Old May 7, 19, 1:01 pm
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I flew out of JFK Sunday morning. Full Pre-Check in operation with a dedicated lane. It took less than a minute to clear security at 7am.
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Old May 7, 19, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by jiburi View Post
I think it's wrong to believe that AA of 2017 is a good guidance for AA in 2019. I believe option 4 will occur, as AA has begun removing JFK as a primary hub. AA in 2018 had 10 hubs and they are beginning to consolidate their operations. JFK is one of the redundancies.

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I'm gonna say this scenario is least likely. As others have pointed out, downgrading JFK as a primary hub would give up wayyyyy to much revenue from the premium transcon routes. Additionally, the vast majority of new hire FAs are being sent to junior bases like NYC so, if anything, they're adding to JFK.
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Old May 7, 19, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by FluxTZ View Post
I'm gonna say this scenario is least likely. As others have pointed out, downgrading JFK as a primary hub would give up wayyyyy to much revenue from the premium transcon routes. Additionally, the vast majority of new hire FAs are being sent to junior bases like NYC so, if anything, they're adding to JFK.
They're definitely not adding to JFK. There is an entire thread dedicated to AA's pullback at JFK on their board. I think Doug Parker envisions PHL to become AA's EWR, and he isn't willing to bleed money fighting a losing battle with DL & B6 at JFK. They'll obviously keep the transcons and successful routes around, but it looks like they're willing to put everything else on the chopping block.

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Old May 7, 19, 4:07 pm
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In any case, AA's first priority would be to accommodate JV partners such as BA which will be without a home once T7 is demolished. AS is not going to be a part of that picture.
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Old May 7, 19, 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by fly18725 View Post
JFK is a Level 3 airport and is slot controlled all day.
There are unlimited slots available from 11PM to 559AM and outside of peak hours in the early morning and evening, less than half of the slots are being used. None of the available times would work well for AS, however, using the model of flying planes from the West Coast and returning right back.
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Old May 7, 19, 5:37 pm
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Originally Posted by jsguyrus View Post
I flew out of JFK Sunday morning. Full Pre-Check in operation with a dedicated lane. It took less than a minute to clear security at 7am.
Apparently, TSA hasn't bothered to update the hours, but it also is showing T7 PreCheck again
Mon 5am-7am
Thu 5am-6am
Sat 5am-7am
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Old May 7, 19, 7:20 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
You're saying they're going to drop JFK-LAX/SFO? Because that would be pretty mindblowing if so (and DL/B6 would start throwing a party if AA was going to unconditionally surrender on their transcon premium routes).

And if you're not saying they're surrendering on JFK-LAX/SFO... you're saying that AA is going to let AS operate JFK-LAX/SFO from T8 in direct competition with them? Also pretty mindblowing.
Never said anything about JFK-LAX/SFO premium market. AA is still holding on to important routes which are highly valued and will never make the mistake of UA totally ditching JFK. JFK has and always will be an important market for every airline, but expansion from a slot restricted airport is difficult.

AA and AS already operate SFO from Terminal 2, already in direct competition. West coast based airline AS, with no interest in any transatlantic flight this or next decade, can also serve as a feeder to transatlantic AA or BA flight while AA focus on its other 9 hubs.

But AS knows, competition is better at premium product. . Rather, AS has indicated more interest in frequent flyer who will occupy seats more often. I think it's a win for AA, BA, and AS.

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Old May 7, 19, 7:57 pm
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Originally Posted by jiburi View Post
Never said anything about JFK-LAX/SFO premium market. AA is still holding on to important routes which are highly valued and will never make the mistake of UA totally ditching JFK. JFK has and always will be an important market for every airline, but expansion from a slot restricted airport is difficult.

AA and AS already operate SFO from Terminal 2, already in direct competition. West coast based airline AS, with no interest in any transatlantic flight this or next decade, can also serve as a feeder to transatlantic AA or BA flight while AA focus on its other 9 hubs.

But AS knows, competition is better at premium product. . Rather, AS has indicated more interest in frequent flyer who will occupy seats more often. I think it's a win for AA, BA, and AS.

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JFK is different than SFO. AA didn’t build SFO T2 nor do they operate it. AA built T8 at JFK and operates it. As such they have far more power to dictate terms, like they do in their lounge at SFO by excluding Alaska Lounge cardholders.

I still think AS will get sent to the new, larger T1 far away from DL, AA and B6. Everyone wins.
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Old May 15, 19, 9:22 am
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Rare unicorn today at 6AM - Full precheck lane. Made a huge huge difference and was through security in 1 minute.

Too bad last Saturday at 1pm there was one shared security line for -everyone- and it was at a standstill. Took 40 minutes to get through.
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Old May 15, 19, 11:47 am
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I was through there last week about 7am, pre check was in operation and zero wait time.
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