Feb 18, 2017, 12:46 am
Last edit by: tattikat2
Date, Location, Day of week, Time of Day and method of access for denial.
Please include if you are actually flying Alaska that day, or some other airline, so we can see if the BR is giving preference to AS flyers
3/10/17 SEA D AL 4pm Friday - sign out (was flying Alaska)
3/12/17 SEA N & A AL 6pm Sunday PP denied
2/18/17 PDX AL 6:00am Saturday (flying AS) - PP denied (sign out)
3/21/17 SEA D AL 9am Tuesday - sign out
3/21/17 SEA N AL 9:45am Tuesday - sign out
3/24/17 SEA D AL 1:15pm Friday - sign out (was flying Alaska)
3/25/17 SEA D AL 1:15pm Saturday - sign out
3/25/17 SEA D AL 9:00pm Saturday - sign out
3/26/17 PDX C AL 9:15pm Sunday - Sign out (Was flying AS)
4/2/17 SEA D AL 4:00pm Monday - sign out
4/3/17 SEA D AL 10:30a Monday - sign out - PP requested-denied - was allowed with AL lounge pass - 90% occupied
4/10/17 SEA D 6:45 AM - sign out
4/12/17 SEA D 8:20 PM - sign out
4/14/17 SEA D 10:00 AM - sign out
4/16/17 SEA N 11:00am - sign out, was even upgraded to F on AS and MVP75K, no dice. It was a busy Easter Sunday
4/17/17 PDX 5:35am - no sign, admitted with a smile
4/22/17 PDX 6:35am - no sign, admitted
4/22/17 SEA D 8:15am - no sign, went to Centurion Lounge instead
4/23/17 SEA D and N 4:30pm - sign out. N lounge half empty.
4/26/17 LAX 11:30am - no sign
4/26/17 SEA D no sign, went to The Club
4/27/17 SEA D 10:40 AM - sign out
4/27/17 SEA N 10:50 AM - sign put out just as I entered, admitted with PP as the "last one"
4/27/17 SEA N 4pm - no sign, admitted with PP and a Delta bp
4/30/17 SEA D no sign, admitted
5/1/17 PDX 6:30 am - no sign, admitted, maybe 50% full
5/8/17 SEA D 11:00 am - new sign saying no PP guests, admitted as a PP cardholder.
5/15/17 SEA D 12:30pm sign out no PP
5/18/17 SEA N 7pm Thursday - no sign, admitted (PP, flying AS)
5/18/17 ANC 11:30pm Thursday - no sign, denied, but admitted 45 minutes later (PP, flying AS)
5/19/17 ANC 3pm Friday - no sign, admitted (PP, flying AS)
5/23/17 PDX C 4pm Tue - admitted (PP, flying WN).
5/27/17 PDX 7:50am no sign
6/28/17 LAX 12:30pm/3:30pm- no sign, admitted
9/25/17 PDX 2:00 - sign out, admitted without comment (PP, flying AA)
11/8/17 SEA C 09:00 AM - admitted (PP, flying AS). Only a few seats available, but at least a few seats remained available the whole time I was there
11/16/17 LAX 09:00 AM- sign out, no PP
02/0319 LAX 5pm Sunday-sign out no PP (flying AS)
Please include if you are actually flying Alaska that day, or some other airline, so we can see if the BR is giving preference to AS flyers
3/10/17 SEA D AL 4pm Friday - sign out (was flying Alaska)
3/12/17 SEA N & A AL 6pm Sunday PP denied
2/18/17 PDX AL 6:00am Saturday (flying AS) - PP denied (sign out)
3/21/17 SEA D AL 9am Tuesday - sign out
3/21/17 SEA N AL 9:45am Tuesday - sign out
3/24/17 SEA D AL 1:15pm Friday - sign out (was flying Alaska)
3/25/17 SEA D AL 1:15pm Saturday - sign out
3/25/17 SEA D AL 9:00pm Saturday - sign out
3/26/17 PDX C AL 9:15pm Sunday - Sign out (Was flying AS)
4/2/17 SEA D AL 4:00pm Monday - sign out
4/3/17 SEA D AL 10:30a Monday - sign out - PP requested-denied - was allowed with AL lounge pass - 90% occupied
4/10/17 SEA D 6:45 AM - sign out
4/12/17 SEA D 8:20 PM - sign out
4/14/17 SEA D 10:00 AM - sign out
4/16/17 SEA N 11:00am - sign out, was even upgraded to F on AS and MVP75K, no dice. It was a busy Easter Sunday
4/17/17 PDX 5:35am - no sign, admitted with a smile
4/22/17 PDX 6:35am - no sign, admitted
4/22/17 SEA D 8:15am - no sign, went to Centurion Lounge instead
4/23/17 SEA D and N 4:30pm - sign out. N lounge half empty.
4/26/17 LAX 11:30am - no sign
4/26/17 SEA D no sign, went to The Club
4/27/17 SEA D 10:40 AM - sign out
4/27/17 SEA N 10:50 AM - sign put out just as I entered, admitted with PP as the "last one"
4/27/17 SEA N 4pm - no sign, admitted with PP and a Delta bp
4/30/17 SEA D no sign, admitted
5/1/17 PDX 6:30 am - no sign, admitted, maybe 50% full
5/8/17 SEA D 11:00 am - new sign saying no PP guests, admitted as a PP cardholder.
5/15/17 SEA D 12:30pm sign out no PP
5/18/17 SEA N 7pm Thursday - no sign, admitted (PP, flying AS)
5/18/17 ANC 11:30pm Thursday - no sign, denied, but admitted 45 minutes later (PP, flying AS)
5/19/17 ANC 3pm Friday - no sign, admitted (PP, flying AS)
5/23/17 PDX C 4pm Tue - admitted (PP, flying WN).
5/27/17 PDX 7:50am no sign
6/28/17 LAX 12:30pm/3:30pm- no sign, admitted
9/25/17 PDX 2:00 - sign out, admitted without comment (PP, flying AA)
11/8/17 SEA C 09:00 AM - admitted (PP, flying AS). Only a few seats available, but at least a few seats remained available the whole time I was there
11/16/17 LAX 09:00 AM- sign out, no PP
02/0319 LAX 5pm Sunday-sign out no PP (flying AS)
Priority Pass and denied entry at the Alaska Lounge b/c of space - 2018 and Earlier
Apr 3, 2017, 2:17 pm
#496
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So the "$150" AF isn't really all that bad.
Apr 3, 2017, 2:27 pm
#497
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 398
I agree with you that it is very useful for a lot of people...but Chase approved a crazy amount of people for the card. I don't know the %, but I'd guess a fair amount of them were people that really can't afford/shouldn't have the card if it wasn't for the 100k sign up bonus.
Even lounge access one or two times a year doesn't make up for the AF if you don't frequently use it. I feel like the majority of people in the lounges are very infrequent flyers that happen to have PP through the CSR for now. I don't think that frequent flyers with the PP are making up the brunt of the capacity problems. Those same frequent flyers were there the year before without these issues. And they'll be there next year too.
Certainly no guarantee, but i do hope this is a temporary situation that resolves itself to a much more manageable position in the fall as people don't renew the CSR.
Even lounge access one or two times a year doesn't make up for the AF if you don't frequently use it. I feel like the majority of people in the lounges are very infrequent flyers that happen to have PP through the CSR for now. I don't think that frequent flyers with the PP are making up the brunt of the capacity problems. Those same frequent flyers were there the year before without these issues. And they'll be there next year too.
Certainly no guarantee, but i do hope this is a temporary situation that resolves itself to a much more manageable position in the fall as people don't renew the CSR.
Apr 3, 2017, 2:36 pm
#498
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I don't know. The people that I know that have the CSR view the card as having a $150 AF due to the $300 travel credit which can pretty much be used for everything. I also don't think it helps that AMEX now allows 2 guests with the PP obtained through the Plat charge card.
So the "$150" AF isn't really all that bad.
So the "$150" AF isn't really all that bad.
Of course, those same people also generally don't line up at the AS Clubs for free pancakes.
Apr 3, 2017, 4:39 pm
#499
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I don't know. The people that I know that have the CSR view the card as having a $150 AF due to the $300 travel credit which can pretty much be used for everything. I also don't think it helps that AMEX now allows 2 guests with the PP obtained through the Plat charge card.
So the "$150" AF isn't really all that bad.
So the "$150" AF isn't really all that bad.
Apr 3, 2017, 5:10 pm
#500
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Snohomish, WA
Programs: AS MVP Gold, HHonors Diamond
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Denied just now in concourse d. The sign out front now excludes day passes and lounge buddy day passes, not just priority pass and lounge pass.
Neil
Neil
Apr 3, 2017, 5:51 pm
#501
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Hmm so that's a no to the day passes issued to 75Ks as well, huh?
Apr 3, 2017, 6:09 pm
#502
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Yep....I think it was only a matter of time before they started limiting the day passes....people were using them as their ace card when they couldn't get into the lounge with PP. Honestly, I don't think it will be long before paid first class AS passengers will be denied as a matter of policy, especially since it's sorta unique to AS (DL, UA, and AA don't allow paid domestic first passengers into their lounges).
Apr 3, 2017, 6:13 pm
#504
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Location: Seattle, Wa
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Yep....I think it was only a matter of time before they started limiting the day passes....people were using them as their ace card when they couldn't get into the lounge with PP. Honestly, I don't think it will be long before paid first class AS passengers will be denied as a matter of policy, especially since it's sorta unique to AS (DL, UA, and AA don't allow paid domestic first passengers into their lounges).
Cmon now, AS wouldn't deny an elite flyer on a comped (status) pass. SMH.
10 seconds ago however I listened to a Priority Pass denial at PDX - the Sign is up here too. I inquired with the team for clarification.
No day passes means they won't sell one but they will ALWAYS honor our 75K freebies. No questions asked. They know from where the butter for the bread comes
I suspect although they didn't confirm or deny that a dissolution of the priority pass relationship is coming.
They are protecting their own members.
Chris
Last edited by flyupfrnt; Apr 3, 2017 at 6:45 pm
Apr 3, 2017, 6:46 pm
#505
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Posts: 2,379
Apr 3, 2017, 8:59 pm
#506
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Apr 3, 2017, 9:01 pm
#507
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I was going to say... definitely don't want to upset your 75Ks. If they restricted 75K lounge passes, there's really no reason to go after 75K status except for the higher upgrade priority and additional 25% RDM.
Apr 3, 2017, 9:10 pm
#508
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The 50k bonus RDM for reaching 75k aren't worth it? I mean, we are talking about four one-day passes to the club here, right? I'd value those at < $100 total.
Apr 3, 2017, 9:15 pm
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Depends who you fly with primarily. If you fly with airlines like CX/EK/BA to earn AS status the 100%+ bonus miles you get in addition to the 100% MVPG bonus RDMs make it a moot point imo.
Apr 3, 2017, 9:28 pm
#510
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