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beckoa Dec 6, 16 7:53 pm

Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread - 2019 and Earlier
 

Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 27574899)
We probably need an award wiki thread (and hopefully not two of them that are duplicative, like CX).

Here we go... please add to the wiki above.

This is the current award chart:

Code:

Japan Airlines
Class of Service | One-way | Round-trip
Continental U.S. to Asia
Coach            | 35,000  | 70,000
Premium          | 40,000  | 80,000
Business        | 60,000  | 120,000
First            | 70,000  | 140,000

Continental U.S. to Southeast Asia
Coach            | 40,000  | 80,000
Premium          | 45,000  | 90,000
Business        | 65,000  | 130,000
First            | 75,000  | 150,000


beckoa Dec 6, 16 8:18 pm

From my limited experience booking an AA award on JL this year, F seats open up liberally close in, a week or two out from departure. This seems to hold true as there seems to be lots of award space in December/January in premium cabins. Not so much other times of the year.

Duke787 Dec 6, 16 8:39 pm

I have a fair amount of experience with JL J and F booking and this is what I've found.

1-2 F seats are sometimes made available at T-331. They then will sporadically appear throughout the rest of the cycle (never seems to be rhyme or reason). At T-14ish, you can often typically the # of revenue F seats available = (F award seats available - 1) but moving to equal within T-3. In all practically this means you can snag 2 seats on at least 1-2 US routes within T-7.

J follows a similar pattern except there are often far more J seats available and they make them all available (its not unusual to see 3-6 available).

It's very similar to CX except with more F and J seats to sell and therefore greater chance of finding multiple seats if you are needing 2-3 seats.

PDXPremier Dec 6, 16 8:48 pm

Just randomly looking around I noticed AA First (which I know is no comparison to JL First) available for only 2,500 more miles than JL business awards....I love the fact that JL has such great (relatively speaking) availability, but I'll still take the time to check ba.com for CX availability before resorting to JL since 10K miles is enough of a difference to make it worth the extra effort...especially if you're going to HKG which actually costs more than 60K on JL.

gobeavs8 Dec 6, 16 8:52 pm

Just booked PDX-SFO-HND(stopover)-GMP in Sept. Could not be happier about getting F to Tokyo. Only bummer is that it seems (based on others posts in another thread) is that within Asia your looking at flights that only have J(with a couple of exceptions). Looks like to try the F lounge in HND I will have to fly F back ;).

Duke787 Dec 6, 16 9:14 pm


Originally Posted by gobeavs8 (Post 27575731)
Only bummer is that it seems (based on others posts in another thread) is that within Asia your looking at flights that only have J(with a couple of exceptions)

Also I've never been able to get J for intra-Japan, only Y (true for NH too). It's Y only and you can buy Class J (think Delta C+) for ~$8-10 and to domestic F for some amount I can't recall (never done it - but I always do Class J at the lounge or at check-in).

Kieron Dec 6, 16 9:26 pm

How is the intra-Japan J product? I'm seeing that cabin as 5 across on the 737s, which doesn't seem like it's worth much.

For the true AS feel, though, they've got all-coach Q400s - but with one fewer row than Horizon's, so you can really stretch out into that one extra inch!

CDKing Dec 6, 16 9:31 pm


Originally Posted by Duke787 (Post 27575817)
Also I've never been able to get J for intra-Japan, only Y (true for NH too). It's Y only and you can buy Class J (think Delta C+) for ~$8-10 and to domestic F for some amount I can't recall (never done it - but I always do Class J at the lounge or at check-in).


Never mind I lied, I swore it said J but booking shows Y

beckoa Dec 6, 16 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by Duke787 (Post 27575817)
Also I've never been able to get J for intra-Japan, only Y (true for NH too). It's Y only and you can buy Class J (think Delta C+) for ~$8-10 and to domestic F for some amount I can't recall (never done it - but I always do Class J at the lounge or at check-in).

Forgot about that. I did an ITM-NRT in Y as part of an F award, and no, AA would not book F or J for this flight. I was able to select a PE seat which was fine for that stage length. It was offered to pay to upgrade to a J seat (F ones were filled already- checked via EF) but didn't care to for the short flight. And I couldn't keep Bob so I was a bit disgruntled.

rustykettel Dec 29, 16 12:14 am

Same rules against backtracking to gateways on JL awards as other partners? Looking at routing through ORD or JFK for a trip next year.

cyborg Jan 21, 17 5:44 pm

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jbutters Jan 22, 17 9:15 am

Good Biz class availability
 
Booked 3 Biz class seats last month for April during Cherry Blossoms season using miles. Coming from the west coast and flying through Vancouver or San Diego had lots of Biz class options. Finding 3 seats r/t wasn't too difficult, which is next to impossible on other airlines.

Edit: my trip is an open jaw flying into Tokyo and out of Osaka.

1353513636 Jan 22, 17 12:00 pm

So, my CGK-NRT-DEL was downgraded from F to J (in March). Is it worth it to still fly that route in J for 25k or should I just ask AS to refund the whole thing and fly a more normal routing?

tth6133 Jan 22, 17 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by jbutters (Post 27800231)
Booked 3 Biz class seats last month for April during Cherry Blossoms season using miles. Coming from the west coast and flying through Vancouver or San Diego had lots of Biz class options. Finding 3 seats r/t wasn't too difficult, which is next to impossible on other airlines.

Edit: my trip is an open jaw flying into Tokyo and out of Osaka.

These are the easiest J seats to get since they are not the most desirable type.

eponymous_coward Jan 22, 17 6:55 pm


Originally Posted by 1353513636 (Post 27800865)
So, my CGK-NRT-DEL was downgraded from F to J (in March). Is it worth it to still fly that route in J for 25k or should I just ask AS to refund the whole thing and fly a more normal routing?

Personally, if I could do SE Asia-Tokyo(stop)-India for only 25k in business with a good product as part of a vacation, I'd do it. Two Asian longhaul J flights for 25k, at the same cost as a round-trip saver in the USA? Sure. When combined with other AS partner redemptions, you could do something like this:

USA-PEK(stop)-SE Asia(stop, destination) HU
SE Asia-TYO(stop)-DEL(stop, destination) JL
DEL-HKG(stop)-USA CX

In J that would run you 125k AS miles and net you FOUR Asian destinations + India for as long as you would like (though the HU flights would incur significant YQ). You could also vary the itinerary and do some shorthaul LCCs for flights and end up exploring places like CMB, PEN, REP, USM and so on.

IMO, it doesn't make as much sense as a routing from Jakarta to India in one day, though, if you aren't taking the Tokyo stop. That being said CGK-DEL is a longhaul flight. I guess it would depend on how you value time vs. comfort on the plane?


Originally Posted by tth6133 (Post 27800882)
These are the easiest J seats to get since they are not the most desirable type.

They're sure a lot more desirable than coach seats for 10+ hour flights though.

lax.sea.jnu Jan 23, 17 12:48 pm

Just attempted to book 2 F seats at T-331 online, and received a message that the inventory was not available (though is still showing as available on AS.com). Has anyone else had trouble with phantom inventory?

SOWK Jan 23, 17 8:15 pm

Jakarta F Service Discontinued?
 
Can't see any F space to Jakarta as of March 1. Looks like the route will now be operated by a 787.

Too bad - this was a great use of AS miles to SE Asia. Thankful my flight next week in F is still being operated by the 777.

Reikon Jan 24, 17 6:03 am


Originally Posted by SOWK (Post 27808261)
Can't see any F space to Jakarta as of March 1. Looks like the route will now be operated by a 787.

Too bad - this was a great use of AS miles to SE Asia. Thankful my flight next week in F is still being operated by the 777.

They're removing the 77W on the CGK route and putting it on JFK-HND.

lax.sea.jnu Jan 24, 17 11:19 am


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 27806487)
Just attempted to book 2 F seats at T-331 online, and received a message that the inventory was not available (though is still showing as available on AS.com). Has anyone else had trouble with phantom inventory?

Following up on this to see if anyone has any experience with booking JL right at the T-331/330 window. My experience currently trying to book at T-331 or T-330 with space available on the website is that the reservation gets "held" rather than booked. I've called the partner desk multiple times, and they say that the reservation should process when the flight is available, but in the meantime I'm seeing award inventory disappear. They mentioned that the connecting flight (which leaves the following day), could be causing the issue, so currently I'm focused on securing space on the TPAC leg.

My questions are as follows:

1) Has anyone experienced the strange "held reservation" bug when booking at T-330, or even in after that?

2) If so, are flights usually available to book at T-229 23:59 (i.e. the time of the flight), or at the midnight before?

Thanks!

lax.sea.jnu Jan 24, 17 1:06 pm


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 27811041)
Following up on this to see if anyone has any experience with booking JL right at the T-331/330 window. My experience currently trying to book at T-331 or T-330 with space available on the website is that the reservation gets "held" rather than booked. I've called the partner desk multiple times, and they say that the reservation should process when the flight is available, but in the meantime I'm seeing award inventory disappear. They mentioned that the connecting flight (which leaves the following day), could be causing the issue, so currently I'm focused on securing space on the TPAC leg.

My questions are as follows:

1) Has anyone experienced the strange "held reservation" bug when booking at T-330, or even in after that?

2) If so, are flights usually available to book at T-229 23:59 (i.e. the time of the flight), or at the midnight before?

Thanks!

Update: just tried a booking on AS.com at T-329:18, and experienced the same failure. I received notification that the reservation was being held, but not confirmed.

solewalker Jan 24, 17 1:15 pm

Just booked a JL J SIN-HND last week, departing this weekend. Availability appears wide open. 25k + $36.xx. Very happy with that because I'll get to ZZZ on a red-eye.

paperwastage Jan 24, 17 7:50 pm

for NYC-TYO, i see J open mostly on M/Tu/Wed, maybe Sunday... across different months

sigh

lax.sea.jnu Jan 24, 17 8:02 pm

Has anyone been able to make a JAL reservation immediately through the website? I was recently told by the partner desk that reservations take a few days to get confirmed.

solewalker Jan 24, 17 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 27813361)
Has anyone been able to make a JAL reservation immediately through the website? I was recently told by the partner desk that reservations take a few days to get confirmed.

My first try failed, but my second try a few mins later ticketed almost immediately

lax.sea.jnu Jan 24, 17 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by solewalker (Post 27813375)
My first try failed, but my second try a few mins later ticketed almost immediately

No success for T=229-331. Just tried T=190, and got a similar result, except this time, no "held reservation" e-mail. Looks like the system may be a bit screwy, right when I'm trying to book a reservation.

jbutters Jan 25, 17 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by tth6133 (Post 27800882)
These are the easiest J seats to get since they are not the most desirable type.

I know they aren't lie-flat but it's 9 hours so I can live with an angle, some decent food and good service for $200 for 3 people.

Mr_Tudball Jan 26, 17 9:45 am


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 27813361)
Has anyone been able to make a JAL reservation immediately through the website? I was recently told by the partner desk that reservations take a few days to get confirmed.

Yes, my booking ticketed immediately.

lax.sea.jnu Jan 26, 17 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by Reikon (Post 27809602)
They're removing the 77W on the CGK route and putting it on JFK-HND.

Interesting, the AS website says the flight is still operated by a 77W, but JL.com is saying 789.

mycenaeanapollo Jan 26, 17 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 27813361)
Has anyone been able to make a JAL reservation immediately through the website? I was recently told by the partner desk that reservations take a few days to get confirmed.

Booked LAX-NRT in F T-15 and got confirmation immediately. Was able to view my reservation at JAL right away and was able to call JAL minutes after to make my seat selection.

oDiabo Jan 27, 17 6:32 pm

Awaiting Confirmation
 
For the folks who had to wait for their reservation to be ticketed, was it always successful? I tried to book LAX-NRT (2 seats in J) for 12/23 today and got the reservation held message. When I called in I was told to call back every day for the next three days and that the award may not actually be available.

ahcjar103 Jan 28, 17 7:34 pm

just booked 2 F sfo-hnd for about 110 days from now, ticketed in about 15 mins.

CDKing Jan 28, 17 8:41 pm

I just did a interasia award for April in J and initially click, it sat forever and then gave the no space found error and clicked again and it sat for another minute and got confirmation number and AS ticket number, went to JL site and selected my seats

lax.sea.jnu Jan 29, 17 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by oDiabo (Post 27827822)
For the folks who had to wait for their reservation to be ticketed, was it always successful? I tried to book LAX-NRT (2 seats in J) for 12/23 today and got the reservation held message. When I called in I was told to call back every day for the next three days and that the award may not actually be available.

Yes, mine thankfully went through. Did yours? Unfortunately, you may be at the mercy of others that can book instantly.

SF1K Jan 30, 17 6:15 pm

JL-AS System down?
 
So I've been consistently checking flights waiting for dates to open up and there was always tons available. Each day of the week for almost the entire month, this morning I looked and still available, but I'm looking to book 12/28. Now I look and all availability for all the days that was available this morning is gone. The calendar shows available in Coach, but then when you click not he actual day it errors out.

So hoping this is some sort of AS-JL system issue and not a complete dry-up of JL award space using AS miles. :(

lax.sea.jnu Jan 30, 17 10:59 pm


Originally Posted by SF1K (Post 27841808)
So I've been consistently checking flights waiting for dates to open up and there was always tons available. Each day of the week for almost the entire month, this morning I looked and still available, but I'm looking to book 12/28. Now I look and all availability for all the days that was available this morning is gone. The calendar shows available in Coach, but then when you click not he actual day it errors out.

So hoping this is some sort of AS-JL system issue and not a complete dry-up of JL award space using AS miles. :(

That is strange, hopefully a temporary glitch. Note: the AS site will show you one day past what you're actually able to book (you won't be able to book 12/18 until Wednesday).

lax.sea.jnu Jan 31, 17 11:21 am


Originally Posted by SF1K (Post 27841808)
So I've been consistently checking flights waiting for dates to open up and there was always tons available. Each day of the week for almost the entire month, this morning I looked and still available, but I'm looking to book 12/28. Now I look and all availability for all the days that was available this morning is gone. The calendar shows available in Coach, but then when you click not he actual day it errors out.

So hoping this is some sort of AS-JL system issue and not a complete dry-up of JL award space using AS miles. :(

I looked into this more closely, it looks as though they've taken availability back from T-330 to T-325. My guess is that this change could be related to the issue with reservations going into "held" status if booked at the end of the booking window.

SF1K Jan 31, 17 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 27845101)
I looked into this more closely, it looks as though they've taken availability back from T-330 to T-225. My guess is that this change could be related to the issue with reservations going into "held" status if booked at the end of the booking window.

Did you really mean T-225 or T-325?? What makes you think this?

lax.sea.jnu Jan 31, 17 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by SF1K (Post 27846137)
Did you really mean T-225 or T-325?? What makes you think this?

Sorry, it was a typo. I edited my above post. I can see availability starting at T-325. It was T-331 a few days ago, but you could only book starting at T-330.

SF1K Jan 31, 17 6:54 pm


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 27846648)
Sorry, it was a typo. I edited my above post. I can see availability starting at T-325. It was T-331 a few days ago, but you could only book starting at T-330.

Thanks. Looks like they are getting a bit stingier with award space on the route I was looking at too. At 325 it's only showing premium economy. Before it was wide open on different routings in Business. I have some date flexibility so hopefully will get something.

benjahman Feb 1, 17 11:11 am

I was able to secure 2 F Class Awards (seats 2A/D) and 1 J class award (seat 5D) for JL 3 for 12/21/17 for my wife, myself and my mom (sorry mom! - business class for now) via Alaska Air miles.

Hoping that an F opens up per previous posts.


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