Alaska to Take First 737 MAX Delivery - First Flights in March 2021
May 17, 2019, 12:49 pm
#91
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Not necessarily. If that 2% never hit one's origin and destination while the 1% is fixed on flights one needs to take, then the broad percentages mean nothing. It is just the same as an airline that has a 98% on-time performance but the flights I was on were late 100% of the time--the 98% on-time percentage meant nothing to me. It also makes a difference where on many routes AS only has one or two flights a day so if the only options are scheduled with the max there are no other alternatives but to risk your life or fly another airline.
May 17, 2019, 4:10 pm
#92
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May 18, 2019, 12:58 pm
#93
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INCREDIBLY tasteless
as many AS FTers may know, I spent 21 years at Boeing, three in Flight Test Engineering ... there are no doubt well over 100,000 current and former Boeing employees who have (or have had) absolutely nothing to do with any aspect of the 737 program, and imo it is more than tasteless and more than tacky for you to tar everyone with that same opinionated brush
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May 18, 2019, 1:03 pm
#94
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I would expect the excellent pilots at AS will not get behind the controls of this aircraft until and unless they are confident that they aren't going to go down with the ship, and based upon same, I would be relatively confident in flying the aircraft when an AS pilot feels it safe to fly one. I also do not expect that the company will put pressure on its pilots to fly the aircraft unnecessarily. (1) I don't think AS would do this in the current climate, and even if it wanted to, (2) eventually it would result in very bad press.
May 18, 2019, 3:04 pm
#95
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I'll have no issues if I were to fly on the first AS MAX flight. It'll be the safest plane out there, and even before the software modifications the drive to the airport was magnitudes more dangerous, especially with US air crews flying the plane. Everything you do has risks involved, and I have faith in Alaska that they'll do what they can to minimize the risks when travelling with them.
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May 18, 2019, 5:02 pm
#96
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Alaska and most US/Canadian airlines actually REQUIRE their pilots know how to fly (Ethiopian first officer had barely 200 flight hours- even Hawaii's Mokulele won't hire someone with such few hours to fly a ***9 seat*** plane, let alone a 190 pax one). LionAir also hires first officers with as few as 150 hours. I think Alaska's lowest time pilot is at 4,000 hours.
Ill fly Max again, no problem. At least on a North American/Panamanian carrier.
Ill fly Max again, no problem. At least on a North American/Panamanian carrier.
May 19, 2019, 12:15 pm
#97
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Steering this thread back on topic, did AS take delivery of its first MAX? Where is it parked? Will it enter service with 2ku?
May 19, 2019, 12:20 pm
#98
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There is a post up thread showing the last -900 that was delivered. MAX deliveries were scheduled to start in July. If you want to be the first to see it, I'm guessing it will end up parked at PAE unless they are cleared to resume flying soon.
May 19, 2019, 2:50 pm
#100
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Will pilots get MCAS simulator training? Boeing is 100% opposed to any additional simulator training for MAX pilots.
May 19, 2019, 3:49 pm
#101
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For what hat it is worth, simulator training is not required to move between Airbus variants or from the 737 Classic to NG. If the pilot has not previously been trained on the type, sim time is required. Pilots will also train in sims as part of their regular training.
May 19, 2019, 11:03 pm
#102
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Im told that Alaska won't accept delivery of the planes until the FAA restores the airworthiness certificates, which means no 3rd party installations.
So, Im not sure where the planes get wifi installed as I doubt its done by Boeing.
So, Im not sure where the planes get wifi installed as I doubt its done by Boeing.
May 20, 2019, 2:08 am
#104
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28 Mar 2019 Seattle (BFI) - Everett (PAE) BOE329
28 Mar 2019 Seattle (BFI) - Everett (PAE) BOE329 Diverted to MWH
28 Mar 2019 Moses Lake (MWH) - Seattle (BFI) BOE329
31 Mar 2019 Seattle (BFI) - Seattle (SEA) AS9820 <-- Delivery
03 Apr 2019 Seattle (SEA) - Oklahoma City (OKC) AS9461
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20 Apr 2019 Seattle (SEA) - Boston (BOS) AS12 <-- Entry to service
May 20, 2019, 12:51 pm
#105
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The 2ku retrofits are happening at MLB, but on the other hand, between N215AK's delivery and entry to service, there was no MLB detour, but it did stop at OKC. So my guess is that new installs are happening there instead of OKC. Or maybe it is line fit and that stop was for something else?