My account got shut down after getting the sign-up bonus?
Jul 2, 2015, 12:02 pm
#121
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It troubles me tremendously.
If, and it's a big if, these stories are to be believed, then then someone engaged in perfectly allowed behavior under the terms of the contract. Possibly greedy behavior, but not prohibited. If AS wanted to limit to 1 CC sign up bonus in a year, then they could easily add such a restriction. Quite to the contrary, I've recently had several FAs tell me things along the lines of "You can open one for you and one for your business" -- I've heard a uniformed member of AS staff advocate opening at least two at the same time.
And yet we're okay when AS arbitrarily and capriciously closes an account for 4?
If, and it's a big if, these stories are to be believed, then then someone engaged in perfectly allowed behavior under the terms of the contract. Possibly greedy behavior, but not prohibited. If AS wanted to limit to 1 CC sign up bonus in a year, then they could easily add such a restriction. Quite to the contrary, I've recently had several FAs tell me things along the lines of "You can open one for you and one for your business" -- I've heard a uniformed member of AS staff advocate opening at least two at the same time.
And yet we're okay when AS arbitrarily and capriciously closes an account for 4?
A bit different from getting 4 AS personal cards. Heck I was reading a thread on Dan's Deals where people were getting shut down because they signed up for 5+ AS cards with the $100 statement credit each manufacturing spending, then cancelling the card to get the $75 Annual Fee refunded on top.
Jul 2, 2015, 12:30 pm
#122
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Fairly sure BoA has a personal AS card and a business AS card?
A bit different from getting 4 AS personal cards. Heck I was reading a thread on Dan's Deals where people were getting shut down because they signed up for 5+ AS cards with the $100 statement credit each manufacturing spending, then cancelling the card to get the $75 Annual Fee refunded on top.
A bit different from getting 4 AS personal cards. Heck I was reading a thread on Dan's Deals where people were getting shut down because they signed up for 5+ AS cards with the $100 statement credit each manufacturing spending, then cancelling the card to get the $75 Annual Fee refunded on top.
AS rep - "It is because you are churning a lot credit cards, and i'm well aware of how that works, as i follow FlyerTalk myself, especially the last 3 weeks when everyone is talking about AS shut downs, and in our point of view - churning credit cards and not paying the annual fees is fraud."
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Jul 2, 2015, 12:54 pm
#123
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It troubles me tremendously.
If, and it's a big if, these stories are to be believed, then then someone engaged in perfectly allowed behavior under the terms of the contract. Possibly greedy behavior, but not prohibited. If AS wanted to limit to 1 CC sign up bonus in a year, then they could easily add such a restriction. Quite to the contrary, I've recently had several FAs tell me things along the lines of "You can open one for you and one for your business" -- I've heard a uniformed member of AS staff advocate opening at least two at the same time.
And yet we're okay when AS arbitrarily and capriciously closes an account for 4?
As others have said, AS may impose (nearly) any restriction it likes on it's FF program, but it must then abide by it. And a "or anything else we want to do clause" is *not* an unlimited license to break the contract.
If, and it's a big if, these stories are to be believed, then then someone engaged in perfectly allowed behavior under the terms of the contract. Possibly greedy behavior, but not prohibited. If AS wanted to limit to 1 CC sign up bonus in a year, then they could easily add such a restriction. Quite to the contrary, I've recently had several FAs tell me things along the lines of "You can open one for you and one for your business" -- I've heard a uniformed member of AS staff advocate opening at least two at the same time.
And yet we're okay when AS arbitrarily and capriciously closes an account for 4?
As others have said, AS may impose (nearly) any restriction it likes on it's FF program, but it must then abide by it. And a "or anything else we want to do clause" is *not* an unlimited license to break the contract.
If you're on the up and up (like I am) there is nothing to sweat.
Jul 2, 2015, 1:38 pm
#124
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Jul 2, 2015, 2:02 pm
#125
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Quote:
AS rep - "It is because you are churning a lot credit cards, and i'm well aware of how that works, as i follow FlyerTalk myself, especially the last 3 weeks when everyone is talking about AS shut downs, and in our point of view - churning credit cards and not paying the annual fees is fraud."
Is that an official statement from an official AS representative authorized to speak for AS?
AS rep - "It is because you are churning a lot credit cards, and i'm well aware of how that works, as i follow FlyerTalk myself, especially the last 3 weeks when everyone is talking about AS shut downs, and in our point of view - churning credit cards and not paying the annual fees is fraud."
Is that an official statement from an official AS representative authorized to speak for AS?
Jul 2, 2015, 2:46 pm
#126
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Quote:
AS rep - "It is because you are churning a lot credit cards, and i'm well aware of how that works, as i follow FlyerTalk myself, especially the last 3 weeks when everyone is talking about AS shut downs, and in our point of view - churning credit cards and not paying the annual fees is fraud."
Is that an official statement from an official AS representative authorized to speak for AS?
AS rep - "It is because you are churning a lot credit cards, and i'm well aware of how that works, as i follow FlyerTalk myself, especially the last 3 weeks when everyone is talking about AS shut downs, and in our point of view - churning credit cards and not paying the annual fees is fraud."
Is that an official statement from an official AS representative authorized to speak for AS?
Jul 2, 2015, 2:50 pm
#127
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AS rep - "It is because you are churning a lot credit cards, and i'm well aware of how that works, as i follow FlyerTalk myself, especially the last 3 weeks when everyone is talking about AS shut downs, and in our point of view - churning credit cards and not paying the annual fees is fraud."
Is that an official statement from an official AS representative authorized to speak for AS?
Is that an official statement from an official AS representative authorized to speak for AS?
Jul 2, 2015, 3:55 pm
#128
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$75 for 25k miles is still a huge bargain at 0.3 cpm. It's a little scary when people are so greedy that they think they should get the miles for free... "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
Jul 2, 2015, 5:01 pm
#129
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Jul 2, 2015, 5:46 pm
#130
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Jul 2, 2015, 5:54 pm
#131
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Jul 2, 2015, 6:15 pm
#132
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It's my understanding that BOA buys the miles from Alaska as an inducement to apply for the card. If a person applies for, and is granted the card(s) it should be no skin off Alaska Airlines. They get all the skin they need from their Alaska in-state (Alaska) airfares. So, I think there must be more to the story.
Jul 2, 2015, 6:22 pm
#133
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It's my understanding that BOA buys the miles from Alaska as an inducement to apply for the card. If a person applies for, and is granted the card(s) it should be no skin off Alaska Airlines. They get all the skin they need from their Alaska in-state (Alaska) airfares. So, I think there must be more to the story.
Jul 2, 2015, 6:24 pm
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Jul 2, 2015, 6:29 pm
#135
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Thanks for clarifying. I had read it originally as an AS rep (or, I suppose, someone posing as one) posting that message on another forum.