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missydarlin May 8, 15 7:38 pm

AF/KL accrual rate change
 
http://www.alaskaair.com/content/mil...ir-france.aspx

Voyager (Economy): Earn 25% of actual flight miles* flown in T, E, N, V, R, or G classes of service. Earn 50% of actual flight miles* in H, L, or Q classes of service. Earn 75% of actual flight miles* in U or K. Earn actual flight miles* in Y, B, or M classes of service.

Premium Voyager (Premium Economy): Earn actual flight miles* flown in A classof service. Earn actual flight miles* flown in W or S classes of service, plus 25% Bonus Miles.

Affaires (Business): Earn actual flight miles* flown in J, C, D, I, or Z classes of service, plus 25% Bonus Miles.

La Premiere (First): Earn actual flight miles* flown in P or F classes of service, plus 50% Bonus Miles.





http://www.alaskaair.com/content/mil...tners/klm.aspx

Economy Class Cabin: Earn 25% of actual flight miles* flown in T, E, N, V, R, or G classes of service. Earn 50% of actual flight miles* in H, L, Q, S, or A classes of service. Earn 75% of actual flight miles* in U, K, or W. Earn actual flight miles* in Y, B, or M classes of service.

Business Class Cabin: Earn actual flight miles* flown in J, C, D, I or Z classes of service, plus 25% Bonus Miles.

eponymous_coward May 8, 15 7:50 pm

Wow, it's a slaughter on the partner cheap economy fare front. AF, AM, BA, CX, DL, EK, KE, KL, none of them give 100% on cheap fares.

That leaves AA, FJ, LA, QF as full EQM partners oon cheap fares... :(

missydarlin May 8, 15 7:52 pm

They did move some from the No Earning list to the 25% list ... but yes, overall, its pretty rough.

CDKing May 8, 15 8:08 pm

I bet within the next year AS metal goes the same direction

sturges May 8, 15 8:10 pm

I almost booked an AF flight instead of DL (for extra $) this morning. Glad I didn't.

I was wondering when this was going to happen, to be honest. FB members only get 25% for the flights we used to receive 100% on.

PV_Premier May 8, 15 9:21 pm

Premium economy is a bump over the past. Was only 110% before so this is good news for me.

Sounder May 8, 15 11:40 pm

Ouch. I guess the glory days of frequent flyer programs really are coming to an end. Welcome to the future folks.

beckoa May 9, 15 12:02 am

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What others do we need to watch out for :o

This is becoming a bit depressing. But KL/AF probably were influenced by...DL. That's my guess as they are in a JV.

Sounder May 9, 15 12:29 am


Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 24788087)
Wow, it's a slaughter on the partner cheap economy fare front. AF, AM, BA, CX, DL, EK, KE, KL, none of them give 100% on cheap fares.

That leaves AA, FJ, LA, QF as full EQM partners oon cheap fares... :(

My fantasy: AA and AS draw a line in the sand and pledge to keep full EQM earning regardless of fare class, AS joins OneWorld and starts reciprocal upgrades with AA, completely cutting all ties with DL and other SkyTeam partners.

Dieuwer May 9, 15 12:38 am


Originally Posted by PV_Premier (Post 24788344)
Premium economy is a bump over the past. Was only 110% before so this is good news for me.

Now equal to business class :confused:

Single_Flyer May 9, 15 1:27 am

Anyone remember what the old mileage accrual rate was for KLM/AF?

berliner5000 May 9, 15 7:25 am


Originally Posted by CDKing (Post 24788151)
I bet within the next year AS metal goes the same direction

I doubt it. (read:I hope not) None of the US carriers have reduced eqm earnings. It would make them less competitive.

BearX220 May 9, 15 8:33 am


Originally Posted by Sounder (Post 24788658)
I guess the glory days of frequent flyer programs really are coming to an end. Welcome to the future folks.

As behavior influencers for most people, FF programs are an ever-more-minor factor.

If you're buying discount economy from the west coast to Europe and Icelandair is $400 less than BA/KL/AF/etc., as it often is, would you take the cheap ticket -- or the AS miles? When you're talking about 10,000 EQMs (abd more RDMs for MVP and higher), I'm influenced to take BA/KL/AF. When the "carrot" is a mere 25% of that, the hell with it -- I'll fly Icelandair and pocket the savings.

The whole point of these programs is to drive loyal buying behavior among the broad middle of frequent flyers. The lowest tier of customers will always go for cheap, and the highest tier will usually go for schedule / nonstops / convenience. The rest of us in the middle can be persuaded to buy loyally, pay more and / or accept suboptimal itineraries, in return for FF status and rewards.

But the airlines are intent on blowing up that model and driving most everyone to just look for the cheapest possible ticket, which in the long run can't be good for them. An awful lot of marginal revenue comes from (or used to come from) customers spending more than necessary to book their "preferred" carrier. But no carrot, no sale.

This is what happens when competition and options decline to the point where the airlines can operate like inescapable public utilities. They figure they don't have to reward most people for choosing them because there's less choice, fewer options, and so much less capacity, and much of the time they're right.

flytoeat May 9, 15 9:46 am

The silver lining in all of these coach eqm reductions is that international business class fares are very affordable now. I have purchased several business class tickets from the west coast to Europe this year - all between $1320-$1750.

BearX220 May 9, 15 9:54 am


Originally Posted by flytoeat (Post 24789950)
...international business class fares are very affordable now.

Not as a rule. They can be if you hit a mystic trifecta of travel date, destination, and advance-purchase period. I'm looking for fall tickets to the UK and the only business class offers under $3,000 are on Icelandair, whose Saga Class is not really business class at all -- most tariffs are $5k-$6k.


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