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pdxasflyer Feb 18, 2015 8:33 pm

PDX-MSP
PDX-EWR
PDX-ATL (the return of this route)
Would all be at the top of my wish list for new routes.

damieniz1 Feb 18, 2015 9:10 pm

dreaming for SAN-YVR. Not one direct flight!

OO-SLC-CR9 Feb 18, 2015 10:25 pm

While I understand that the -400 is becoming disfavored by the flying public for the most part, replacing a -400 (or a -700) 1:1 with a -900ER, especially on thinner routes, means while we may have a shiny new plane, we will probably see less frequency to accommodate the increase in seats... I really like the -700 and wish they would keep them (and do the power/slim line, etc) for the thinner routes, such as xSLC or even xANC.

Jimgotkp Feb 18, 2015 10:42 pm

Hoping for a SEA-IND route.

beckoa Feb 18, 2015 11:04 pm

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RDU from anywhere?

But its yet to be seen if this is a net replacement of aircraft with a 25% in seats, or an actual gain in aircraft count. Those 734 & 73G leases seem to keep extending ;)

direwolfpdx Feb 18, 2015 11:05 pm

Please PDX-EWR.

Stopped flying the Delta PDX-JFK direct due to MP changes this year. It's kind of a drag heading up to Seattle to get to EWR.

sltlyamusd Feb 18, 2015 11:53 pm

I'm confused about what Alaska plans to do with the 737-700s and 400s. Are they going to be updated with the new seats/power/IFE? Seems like Alaska wants to create a unified customer experience, these planes need to be updated, unless Alaska is really planning on phasing them all out in 2 years.

majortom421 Feb 19, 2015 12:03 am


Originally Posted by damieniz1 (Post 24376431)
dreaming for SAN-YVR. Not one direct flight!

Air Canada flew SAN-YVR nonstop for a while but discontinued it in 2013.

sltlyamusd Feb 19, 2015 1:02 am


Originally Posted by majortom421 (Post 24376945)
Air Canada flew SAN-YVR nonstop for a while but discontinued it in 2013.

Alaska also flew this route in the mid-2000s.

3Cforme Feb 19, 2015 6:46 am


Originally Posted by OO-SLC-CR9 (Post 24376684)
While I understand that the -400 is becoming disfavored by the flying public for the most part, replacing a -400 (or a -700) 1:1 with a -900ER, especially on thinner routes, means while we may have a shiny new plane, we will probably see less frequency to accommodate the increase in seats.

That's not how it works.

-400/700 flights get ungauged to a -800; routinely full -800s move to -900s unless range or takeoff performance is a factor.

formeraa Feb 19, 2015 10:02 am


Originally Posted by OO-SLC-CR9 (Post 24376684)
While I understand that the -400 is becoming disfavored by the flying public for the most part, replacing a -400 (or a -700) 1:1 with a -900ER, especially on thinner routes, means while we may have a shiny new plane, we will probably see less frequency to accommodate the increase in seats... I really like the -700 and wish they would keep them (and do the power/slim line, etc) for the thinner routes, such as xSLC or even xANC.

Basically, AS is saying that the total fuel cost of the -400 is exactly the same as a -900ER. The benefit of the -900ER is that it has 25% more seats. The labor cost of the -900ER will be somewhat higher because of the need for 1 more FA. So, if a route was profitable with the -400, it will likely be profitable with the -900ER despite the increase in seats.

channa Feb 19, 2015 10:14 am


Originally Posted by ANC (Post 24374889)
AS doesnt really have a whole lot of cities left to fly to that are in range of a 737 and can provide the loads of a 737 from the Seattle market on a daily basis

YYZ, YUL?



Originally Posted by formeraa (Post 24378949)
Basically, AS is saying that the total fuel cost of the -400 is exactly the same as a -900ER. The benefit of the -900ER is that it has 25% more seats. The labor cost of the -900ER will be somewhat higher because of the need for 1 more FA. So, if a route was profitable with the -400, it will likely be profitable with the -900ER despite the increase in seats.

If the 400 is paid off and the 900ER has a car payment, that plays in as well.

I'm not disagreeing with AS's strategy -- they have a low cost structure and seem to be smart with expansion -- but there is a huge cost to new planes. The new plane obsession is what leveraged CO to the hilt and basically required that they merge.

HiFlyerAS Feb 19, 2015 10:30 am


Originally Posted by sltlyamusd (Post 24376920)
I'm confused about what Alaska plans to do with the 737-700s and 400s. Are they going to be updated with the new seats/power/IFE? Seems like Alaska wants to create a unified customer experience, these planes need to be updated, unless Alaska is really planning on phasing them all out in 2 years.

-400 and -700's are getting hand-me down 'new' seats from the -800 and -900's. No more super-cushy FC seats on the -400's which I'll miss...reminds me of the old 727's! ;)

They'll be outfitted with the streaming entertainment (Alaska Beyond) along with the already-installed gogo wifi but will not be getting seat-power. Was on a -700 a couple of days ago with the streaming movies...love it!

eponymous_coward Feb 19, 2015 11:00 am


Originally Posted by channa (Post 24379009)
.I'm not disagreeing with AS's strategy -- they have a low cost structure and seem to be smart with expansion -- but there is a huge cost to new planes. The new plane obsession is what leveraged CO to the hilt and basically required that they merge.

ALK has a pretty good balance sheet. They've pre-funded their pension program and they're generally smart about their operations. I wouldn't be terribly worried.

Now, if these were 787s or 777s... :eek:

beckoa Feb 19, 2015 12:57 pm

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Originally Posted by HiFlyerAS

Originally Posted by sltlyamusd (Post 24376920)
I'm confused about what Alaska plans to do with the 737-700s and 400s. Are they going to be updated with the new seats/power/IFE? Seems like Alaska wants to create a unified customer experience, these planes need to be updated, unless Alaska is really planning on phasing them all out in 2 years.

-400 and -700's are getting hand-me down 'new' seats from the -800 and -900's. No more super-cushy FC seats on the -400's which I'll miss...reminds me of the old 727's! ;)

They'll be outfitted with the streaming entertainment (Alaska Beyond) along with the already-installed gogo wifi but will not be getting seat-power. Was on a -700 a couple of days ago with the streaming movies...love it!

Glad to see 734's getting Alaska beyond servers (and tablets too right?).

I've noticed the 73H seats going into them too...like the adjustable headrests ^

And as these are shorter flights the lack of power isn't the end of the world for me.

These refinements seem to indicate the A/c will stick around for a bit longer.


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