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To try to make sense of what's all happening between AS and DL, the idea arose during the recent Alaska do to create a compendium in the wiki of the various stages of the current spat. Please add your knowledge where you can!
Timeline of events:
**proposed format for new route announcements**
mm/dd/yy [date of announcement] Airline XXX-YYY [new vs changed] [frequency] dd/mm/yy [date of service/change] Airline Press Release link | FT thread/post link
Timeline of events:
**proposed format for new route announcements**
mm/dd/yy [date of announcement] Airline XXX-YYY [new vs changed] [frequency] dd/mm/yy [date of service/change] Airline Press Release link | FT thread/post link
- 2008: Delta and Northwest merge, Delta's staff takes over relationship with Alaska
- 06/05/09 Alaska ATL - SEA New 1x daily 23/10/09 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 2011: Alaska allegedly (using data gleaned from codeshare sales) tries to lower the ratio of the fare it pays Delta on codeshare itineraries
- 08/10/12: The infamous "joint" Seattle press conference where Delta CEO Richard Anderson announces they will ramp up international service in Seattle (AS CEO Brad Tilden stays quiet in the background) -- DL Announcement | FT Thread
- 01/11/12 Alaska SLC - SEA New 2x daily 04/04/13 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 25/02/13 Delta announces resumption of SEA-ANC, new SEA-LAS. Hard to find press release/news, but this site mentions it.
- 02/05/13 Alaska ATL - PDX New 1x daily 26/08/13 AS Announcement
- 01/10/13 Delta SEA - LAS Increase from 1x - 3x daily 06/01/14 -> 5x daily 01/04/14 DL Announcement | Post #1
- 01/10/13 Delta SEA - SFO New 6x daily 29/03/14 -> 7x daily 05/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #1
- 01/10/13 Delta SEA - LAX Increase from 5x - 7x daily 05/06/14 DL Announcement |Post #1
- 05/11/13 Delta SEA - SAN New 4x daily 02/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #77
- 05/11/13 Delta SEA - ANC Increase 1x to 2x daily summer seasonal 05/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #90
- 05/11/13 Delta SEA - PDX New 4x daily 02/09/14 DL Announcement | Post #77
- 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - PDX 09/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - SAN 10/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - LAX 11/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - SJC 12/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 17/12/13 Delta SEA - ANC 29/05/14 (increased from 2x-3x daily) Thread [link needed] DL Announcement
- 17/12/13 Delta SEA - JNU 29/05/14 Thread [link needed] DL Announcement | Post #268
- 17/12/13 Delta SEA - SJC 29/05/14 Thread [link needed] DL Announcement
- 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - BOI 16/06/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
- 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - LAS 16/06/14 New 2x Daily AS Announcement
- 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - SFO 18/06/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
- 10/02/14 Delta PHX - SEA 20/12/14 New 5x Daily CRJ-900 DL Announcement
- 10/02/14 Delta PSP - SEA 20/12/14 New 1x Daily CRJ-900 Winter Season DL Announcement
- 10/02/14 Delta TUS - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday CRJ-900 Winter Season DL Announcement
- 10/02/14 Delta HNL - SEA 20/12/14 Increase 1x to 2x Daily 757-200/757-300 DL Announcement
- 11/02/14 Alaska DTW - SEA 04/09/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
- 11/02/14 Alaska MSY - SEA 12/06/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 11/02/14 Alaska SEA - TPA 20/06/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 26/02/14 Delta Delta changes SkyMiles to revenue based points/miles DL Announcement
- 28/03/14 Alaska BWI - SEA 02/09/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 28/03/14 Alaska ABQ - SEA 18/09/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 28/03/14 Alaska ATL - PDX 01/09/14 Discontinued 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 17/03/14 Delta BOI - LAX 05/16/14 New 1x Daily E-175 DL Announcement
- 09/05/14 Alaska CUN - SEA 06/11/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 Seasonal AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta GEG - SEA 03/11/14 New 4x Daily CRJ-700 DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta SEA - YYC 03/11/14 New 2x Daily E-175 DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta OGG - SEA 20/12/14 New 1x Daily 757-200 DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta BZN - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday E-175 Winter Season (Flight will op 1x Daily from 20/12/14-04/01/15) DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta SEA - SJD 20/12/14 New Saturday A319 Winter Season DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta PVR - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday A319 Winter Season DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska Announces 11% increase in SEA flying for Spring 2015 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska BOI - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 8x to 9x Daily Q400 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska BOS - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 2x to 3x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska ORD - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska DEN - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 4x to 5x Daily 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska FAI - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska PSP - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737 Seasonal AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska SEA - SMF 08/03/15 increase from 5x to 6x Daily 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska LAX - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 12x to 13x Daily 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska PDX - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 24x to 27x Daily Q400 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska GEG - SEA 08/03/15 replace 2x Daily Q400 with 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska SEA - SNA 08/03/15 increase from 7x to 8x Daily 737-700/737-800 AS Announcement
- 08/07/14 Alaska PDX - SJD 03/11/14 New 4x Weekly 737-800/737-900 Seasonal AS Announcement
- 08/07/14 Alaska PDX - PVR 04/11/14 New 3x Weekly 737-800/737-900 Seasonal AS Announcement
- 13/11/14 Alaska IAD - SEA 11/03/15 New 1x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
- 14/11/14 Delta seeks 30 (!) gates at SEA Bloomberg story
- 19/11/14 Delta adds SEA-DEN/BOI/SMF/KTN/SIT Summer '15 DL Press Release | FT Thread
- 11/25/14 Alaska Adds SEA-MKE NEW daily E-175 starting July 1, 2015 AS Press Release
- 11/25/14 Alaska Adds SEA-OKC NEW daily E-175 starting July 1, 2015 AS Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Announces 717 service to operate on SEA-LAX/LAS/PHX flights DL Press Release and then pulls LAS/PHX service back to regional jets. LAX service remains on 737 equipment (Delta.com)
- 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-JNU to year round service using CRJ-900 outside of summer DL Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-FAI to year round service using E-175 outside of summer DL Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-PVR/SJD seasonal Saturday service to October 3, 2015 DL Press Release and then pulls it back to start December 19, 2015 (Delta.com)
- 22/02/15 Delta Adds 2nd SEA-PSP seasonal flight CRJ-700 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Increases seasonal SEA-TUS Saturday flight to Daily using CRJ-700 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Adds SEA-KOA NEW daily 757-200 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
- 10/03/15 Alaska Adds SEA-JFK NEW daily 737-800 starting September 16, 2015 AS Press Release
- 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-BNA NEW daily 737-800 starting September 23, 2015 AS Press Release
- 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-RDU NEW daily 737-800 starting October 1, 2015 AS Press Release
- 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-CHS NEW 4x/weekly 737-800 starting November 16, 2015 AS Press Release
- 14/05/15 Alaska Announces Preferred Plus Seating options AS Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-BZN Daily year round CRJ-700 on Aug 1, 2015 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-PSC NEW 3x/day CRJ-700 on Nov 1, 2015 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-MCO NEW 1x/day 757-200 on Dec 19, 2015 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-BOS NEW 1x/day 737-800 on April 4, 2016 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-YYJ NEW 3x/day CRJ-700 on April 4, 2016 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Announces end to SEA-HND (Tokyo Haneda) service effective September 30. Route authority to be transferred to American to operate Los Angeles - Haneda. Seattle Times
- 07/22/15 Alaska announces partnership with Hainan Airlines which will reduce dependence on Delta for traffic to/from Asia AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 08/05/15 Alaska announces Boardroom members can access American Admirals Club starting 15 Aug and on 17 Oct that Former US Airways flights will be eligible for earn and burn miles FT Thread
- 09/22/15 Alaska announces partnership with Icelandair Icelandair Announcement
- 10/22/15 Alaska Opens New North Satellite Boardroom. AS Press Release
- 10/22/15 Alaska Alaska announces codeshare agreement with Emirates. AS Press Release
- 12/18/15 Delta Adds SEA-MSO, SEA-BIL and SEA-YEG NEW with CRJ-900/700 equipment operated by Skywest Routesonline (MSO) Routesonline (BIL) Routesonline (YEG)
- 01/01/16 Alaska and Delta: no more reciprocal Board Room/Sky Club Benefits
- 04/04/16 Alaska Alaska Air Group announces acquisition of Virgin America (Pending Government Approval). AS Press Release
- 05/10/16 Alaska Announces Japan Airlines as new Mileage Plan Member and codeshare partner. AS Press Release
- 05/11/16 DL adds Shuttle Service to Seattle (SFO and LAX)
- 06/21/16 Delta Will switch SEA-LHR from Delta to Virgin Atlantic using 787-9 starting March 26, 2017. Delta's 767-300ER will be reallocated seasonally to a 4x/week service on PDX-LHR from May 26, 2107-Oct 29, 2017. DL Press Release
- 06/21/16 Delta Add SEA-SUN Daily Dec 21, 2016-Jan 2, 2017 and Saturday's only from Jan 7-Mar 25, 2017 with CRJ-700. Routesonline | Delta.com
- 06/29/16 Alaska Adds SEA-SBP (San Luis Obispo) Daily year round E175 operated by SkyWest on April 17, 2017. AS Press Release
- 07/13/16 Alaska Adding seasonal flights to SEA-SUN. Double Daily Q400 Dec 16-Jan 2 and an added Sat/Sun from Feb 18-Mar 26, 2017. AS Press Release
- 07/21/16 Alaska Increasing SEA-EWR to 3 Daily flights with 737 starting May 14, 2017. AS Press Release
- 07/21/16 Alaska Adds SEA-ICT (Wichita) NEW daily E175 operated by SkyWest starting April 13, 2017. AS Press Release
- 07/21/16 Alaska Adds SEA-IND (Indianapolis) NEW daily 737 starting May 14, 2017. AS Press Release
- 08/14/16 Delta Adds 2nd SEA-BOS Daily 737-800 starting June 8, 2017. DL Press Release | Routesonline
- 08/14/16 Delta Adds SEA-EUG NEW 3x daily CRJ-700 starting April 1, 2017. Routesonline
- 08/14/16 Delta Adds SEA-RDU NEW daily 737-800 starting June 8, 2017. Routesonline
- 08/31/16 Delta discontinues SEA-BIL nonstop flights. Delta.com
- 08/31/16 Delta discontinues SEA-JNU from year round to seasonal until May 19, 2017. Delta.com
- 09/05/16 Delta discontinues SEA-MSO and SEA-BZN nonstop flights. Delta.com
- 10/21/2016 Delta opens a beautiful, spacious, new lounge at SeaTac, further showing how uninspiring the Board Rooms are.
- 3/2/2020 Delta (re)adds SEA-LHR, adds SEA-CMH, SEA-DFW, more frequencies on existing routes. Delta.com
- Further chronology? Please add! Loss of benefits, etc.
DL Encroaches Further on AS' Turf - Master Thread
#2896
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: SEA (the REAL Washington); occasionally in the other Washington (DCA area)
Programs: DL PM 1.57MM; AS MVPG 100K
Posts: 21,371
#2897
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS
Posts: 2,293
AK CUISINE....sorry to hear that your travels are currently exclusively for your cancer treatments. Chemo is rough enough without including air travel as part of your care. I just finished my chemo and now into my daily rads.
Best wishes and prayers to you and your recovery.
Best wishes and prayers to you and your recovery.
#2898
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mountain Time Zone
Programs: AS Million Miler/Marriott Lifetime Titanium/ IGH Ambassador
Posts: 5,990
AK CUISINE....sorry to hear that your travels are currently exclusively for your cancer treatments. Chemo is rough enough without including air travel as part of your care. I just finished my chemo and now into my daily rads.
Best wishes and prayers to you and your recovery.
Best wishes and prayers to you and your recovery.
#2899
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: NYC
Programs: AA ExecPlat; AF Gold; UA GS; Hyatt L. Globalist; Marriott Plat; Hilton Diamond; National EE
Posts: 6,161
I must say, that new DL skyclub at SEA looks amazing. Much more impressive than AS's two SEA boardroom offerings combined.
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#2900
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Regardless, I do believe AS had it before HIX did.
#2901
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: ANC
Programs: AS; Hyatt; Bonvoy
Posts: 1,718
AK CUISINE....sorry to hear that your travels are currently exclusively for your cancer treatments. Chemo is rough enough without including air travel as part of your care. I just finished my chemo and now into my daily rads.
Best wishes and prayers to you and your recovery.
Best wishes and prayers to you and your recovery.
pcoll, sorry to hear you're also a member of the "C Club," but probably not the same branch as mine - ovarian.
Thanks for your words of support, edgewood49. Although I've only met a few of the folks from here on FT, I do think of you folks as my cyber-friends.
This is OT - just try to stop me! - but I do have a big trip planned for November, provided my blood counts stay in acceptable range. It falls during what should be my 'good' week (chemo is every 3 weeks, with the first week being the roughest). I've been holding first class tickets on Emirates, booked pre-devaluation, for LAX-DXB-HKG, with a return HKG-DXB-SFO. I held on to the tickets after my diagnosis, probably due to a combination of both denial and optimism.
If I get the okay from my medical team, this will be my third trip in EK F to Hong Kong in the past few years. My fingers are crossed! ^
Back on topic - Delta simply *cannot* compare with Alaska Air's mileage plan and partner awards ...
#2902
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Given that EK F is now priced stratospherically, I'm not sure the gap is as huge as it has been in the past. Yeah, their pricing on SkyPesos™ is ridiculous sometimes, but it ain't easy getting to Europe without going through London on oneworld if you don't have AB or IB...
#2903
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mountain Time Zone
Programs: AS Million Miler/Marriott Lifetime Titanium/ IGH Ambassador
Posts: 5,990
I'm surprised that DL has more J availability to Europe than AA does.
Given that EK F is now priced stratospherically, I'm not sure the gap is as huge as it has been in the past. Yeah, their pricing on SkyPesos™ is ridiculous sometimes, but it ain't easy getting to Europe without going through London on oneworld if you don't have AB or IB...
Given that EK F is now priced stratospherically, I'm not sure the gap is as huge as it has been in the past. Yeah, their pricing on SkyPesos™ is ridiculous sometimes, but it ain't easy getting to Europe without going through London on oneworld if you don't have AB or IB...
What is interesting is the lack of AF for example awards. AS "partners" are being tight fisted on Biz/FC seating again near / long.
An alliance membership while may caused points required to increase for upper class booking at least you would have access to them.
The other pain I have is there seems no way on say DL or others to book premium coach through awards. there are some carriers out there with some pretty good products going across the pond.
#2904
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Seattle, WA
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I wanted to extend my best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery. You're in my thoughts. I hope you're feeling good and well enough to be able to take your trip to Hong Kong
#2905
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pcoll, sorry to hear you're also a member of the "C Club," but probably not the same branch as mine - ovarian.
Thanks for your words of support, edgewood49. Although I've only met a few of the folks from here on FT, I do think of you folks as my cyber-friends.
...
If I get the okay from my medical team, this will be my third trip in EK F to Hong Kong in the past few years. My fingers are crossed! ^
Thanks for your words of support, edgewood49. Although I've only met a few of the folks from here on FT, I do think of you folks as my cyber-friends.
...
If I get the okay from my medical team, this will be my third trip in EK F to Hong Kong in the past few years. My fingers are crossed! ^
#2906
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Another pair of fingers crossed and my thoughts for both of you, and Seat2A's recovery. The First Class meal thread has been missing your reviews-- enjoy HKG!
#2907
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: ANC
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pcoll and AK Cuisine: I'm keeping both of you in my thoughts and prayers. I just lost a long time friend to a rare form of Lymphoma (blood cancer) and my sister is currently battling - and beating - breast cancer after already beating ovarian cancer. I hope you both are victorious in your battles and look forward to hearing of lots of trips in F in the future for you both. Keeping my fingers crossed for both of you!^
I hope to be able to post some reviews - hopefully of *good* meals - from my positioning flights in mid-November, rustykettle. ANC-SEA-LAX and SFO-SEA-ANC. But what's this about Seat 2A? Yikes, did I miss something - I thought he was away traveling.
#2908
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He's in rehab in CO after planned surgery. He has more details further up in the linked thread.
#2909
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27366661-post10059.html
He's in rehab in CO after planned surgery. He has more details further up in the linked thread.
He's in rehab in CO after planned surgery. He has more details further up in the linked thread.
#2910
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Location: ANC
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Blanket Wars
It's bad enough that AS rarely provides blankets in first class - typically only on late-night redeyes - but apparently DL is upping their stake in the blanket game. From Frequent Business Traveler:
Please step up your game, Alaska Air!
"Delta Air Lines announced that it will begin offering new Westin Heavenly In-Flight blankets in its domestic first-class cabins in the middle of next month.
The blankets were designed by Westin and Delta’s in-flight service and brand team, with input from customers. The new blankets are part of an existing partnership between Westin and Delta.
In addition to the new Westin blanket, Delta will upgrade its blanket offering in its main cabin."
Link to the article.The blankets were designed by Westin and Delta’s in-flight service and brand team, with input from customers. The new blankets are part of an existing partnership between Westin and Delta.
In addition to the new Westin blanket, Delta will upgrade its blanket offering in its main cabin."
Please step up your game, Alaska Air!