Jul 30, 2014, 2:10 am
Last edit by: eponymous_coward
To try to make sense of what's all happening between AS and DL, the idea arose during the recent Alaska do to create a compendium in the wiki of the various stages of the current spat. Please add your knowledge where you can!
Timeline of events:
**proposed format for new route announcements**
mm/dd/yy [date of announcement] Airline XXX-YYY [new vs changed] [frequency] dd/mm/yy [date of service/change] Airline Press Release link | FT thread/post link
Timeline of events:
**proposed format for new route announcements**
mm/dd/yy [date of announcement] Airline XXX-YYY [new vs changed] [frequency] dd/mm/yy [date of service/change] Airline Press Release link | FT thread/post link
- 2008: Delta and Northwest merge, Delta's staff takes over relationship with Alaska
- 06/05/09 Alaska ATL - SEA New 1x daily 23/10/09 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 2011: Alaska allegedly (using data gleaned from codeshare sales) tries to lower the ratio of the fare it pays Delta on codeshare itineraries
- 08/10/12: The infamous "joint" Seattle press conference where Delta CEO Richard Anderson announces they will ramp up international service in Seattle (AS CEO Brad Tilden stays quiet in the background) -- DL Announcement | FT Thread
- 01/11/12 Alaska SLC - SEA New 2x daily 04/04/13 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 25/02/13 Delta announces resumption of SEA-ANC, new SEA-LAS. Hard to find press release/news, but this site mentions it.
- 02/05/13 Alaska ATL - PDX New 1x daily 26/08/13 AS Announcement
- 01/10/13 Delta SEA - LAS Increase from 1x - 3x daily 06/01/14 -> 5x daily 01/04/14 DL Announcement | Post #1
- 01/10/13 Delta SEA - SFO New 6x daily 29/03/14 -> 7x daily 05/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #1
- 01/10/13 Delta SEA - LAX Increase from 5x - 7x daily 05/06/14 DL Announcement |Post #1
- 05/11/13 Delta SEA - SAN New 4x daily 02/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #77
- 05/11/13 Delta SEA - ANC Increase 1x to 2x daily summer seasonal 05/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #90
- 05/11/13 Delta SEA - PDX New 4x daily 02/09/14 DL Announcement | Post #77
- 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - PDX 09/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - SAN 10/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - LAX 11/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - SJC 12/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 17/12/13 Delta SEA - ANC 29/05/14 (increased from 2x-3x daily) Thread [link needed] DL Announcement
- 17/12/13 Delta SEA - JNU 29/05/14 Thread [link needed] DL Announcement | Post #268
- 17/12/13 Delta SEA - SJC 29/05/14 Thread [link needed] DL Announcement
- 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - BOI 16/06/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
- 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - LAS 16/06/14 New 2x Daily AS Announcement
- 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - SFO 18/06/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
- 10/02/14 Delta PHX - SEA 20/12/14 New 5x Daily CRJ-900 DL Announcement
- 10/02/14 Delta PSP - SEA 20/12/14 New 1x Daily CRJ-900 Winter Season DL Announcement
- 10/02/14 Delta TUS - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday CRJ-900 Winter Season DL Announcement
- 10/02/14 Delta HNL - SEA 20/12/14 Increase 1x to 2x Daily 757-200/757-300 DL Announcement
- 11/02/14 Alaska DTW - SEA 04/09/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
- 11/02/14 Alaska MSY - SEA 12/06/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 11/02/14 Alaska SEA - TPA 20/06/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 26/02/14 Delta Delta changes SkyMiles to revenue based points/miles DL Announcement
- 28/03/14 Alaska BWI - SEA 02/09/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 28/03/14 Alaska ABQ - SEA 18/09/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 28/03/14 Alaska ATL - PDX 01/09/14 Discontinued 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
- 17/03/14 Delta BOI - LAX 05/16/14 New 1x Daily E-175 DL Announcement
- 09/05/14 Alaska CUN - SEA 06/11/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 Seasonal AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta GEG - SEA 03/11/14 New 4x Daily CRJ-700 DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta SEA - YYC 03/11/14 New 2x Daily E-175 DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta OGG - SEA 20/12/14 New 1x Daily 757-200 DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta BZN - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday E-175 Winter Season (Flight will op 1x Daily from 20/12/14-04/01/15) DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta SEA - SJD 20/12/14 New Saturday A319 Winter Season DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Delta PVR - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday A319 Winter Season DL Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska Announces 11% increase in SEA flying for Spring 2015 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska BOI - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 8x to 9x Daily Q400 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska BOS - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 2x to 3x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska ORD - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska DEN - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 4x to 5x Daily 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska FAI - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska PSP - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737 Seasonal AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska SEA - SMF 08/03/15 increase from 5x to 6x Daily 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska LAX - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 12x to 13x Daily 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska PDX - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 24x to 27x Daily Q400 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska GEG - SEA 08/03/15 replace 2x Daily Q400 with 737 AS Announcement
- 27/05/14 Alaska SEA - SNA 08/03/15 increase from 7x to 8x Daily 737-700/737-800 AS Announcement
- 08/07/14 Alaska PDX - SJD 03/11/14 New 4x Weekly 737-800/737-900 Seasonal AS Announcement
- 08/07/14 Alaska PDX - PVR 04/11/14 New 3x Weekly 737-800/737-900 Seasonal AS Announcement
- 13/11/14 Alaska IAD - SEA 11/03/15 New 1x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
- 14/11/14 Delta seeks 30 (!) gates at SEA Bloomberg story
- 19/11/14 Delta adds SEA-DEN/BOI/SMF/KTN/SIT Summer '15 DL Press Release | FT Thread
- 11/25/14 Alaska Adds SEA-MKE NEW daily E-175 starting July 1, 2015 AS Press Release
- 11/25/14 Alaska Adds SEA-OKC NEW daily E-175 starting July 1, 2015 AS Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Announces 717 service to operate on SEA-LAX/LAS/PHX flights DL Press Release and then pulls LAS/PHX service back to regional jets. LAX service remains on 737 equipment (Delta.com)
- 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-JNU to year round service using CRJ-900 outside of summer DL Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-FAI to year round service using E-175 outside of summer DL Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-PVR/SJD seasonal Saturday service to October 3, 2015 DL Press Release and then pulls it back to start December 19, 2015 (Delta.com)
- 22/02/15 Delta Adds 2nd SEA-PSP seasonal flight CRJ-700 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Increases seasonal SEA-TUS Saturday flight to Daily using CRJ-700 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
- 22/02/15 Delta Adds SEA-KOA NEW daily 757-200 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
- 10/03/15 Alaska Adds SEA-JFK NEW daily 737-800 starting September 16, 2015 AS Press Release
- 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-BNA NEW daily 737-800 starting September 23, 2015 AS Press Release
- 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-RDU NEW daily 737-800 starting October 1, 2015 AS Press Release
- 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-CHS NEW 4x/weekly 737-800 starting November 16, 2015 AS Press Release
- 14/05/15 Alaska Announces Preferred Plus Seating options AS Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-BZN Daily year round CRJ-700 on Aug 1, 2015 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-PSC NEW 3x/day CRJ-700 on Nov 1, 2015 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-MCO NEW 1x/day 757-200 on Dec 19, 2015 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-BOS NEW 1x/day 737-800 on April 4, 2016 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-YYJ NEW 3x/day CRJ-700 on April 4, 2016 DL Press Release
- 26/05/15 Delta Announces end to SEA-HND (Tokyo Haneda) service effective September 30. Route authority to be transferred to American to operate Los Angeles - Haneda. Seattle Times
- 07/22/15 Alaska announces partnership with Hainan Airlines which will reduce dependence on Delta for traffic to/from Asia AS Announcement | FT Thread
- 08/05/15 Alaska announces Boardroom members can access American Admirals Club starting 15 Aug and on 17 Oct that Former US Airways flights will be eligible for earn and burn miles FT Thread
- 09/22/15 Alaska announces partnership with Icelandair Icelandair Announcement
- 10/22/15 Alaska Opens New North Satellite Boardroom. AS Press Release
- 10/22/15 Alaska Alaska announces codeshare agreement with Emirates. AS Press Release
- 12/18/15 Delta Adds SEA-MSO, SEA-BIL and SEA-YEG NEW with CRJ-900/700 equipment operated by Skywest Routesonline (MSO) Routesonline (BIL) Routesonline (YEG)
- 01/01/16 Alaska and Delta: no more reciprocal Board Room/Sky Club Benefits
- 04/04/16 Alaska Alaska Air Group announces acquisition of Virgin America (Pending Government Approval). AS Press Release
- 05/10/16 Alaska Announces Japan Airlines as new Mileage Plan Member and codeshare partner. AS Press Release
- 05/11/16 DL adds Shuttle Service to Seattle (SFO and LAX)
- 06/21/16 Delta Will switch SEA-LHR from Delta to Virgin Atlantic using 787-9 starting March 26, 2017. Delta's 767-300ER will be reallocated seasonally to a 4x/week service on PDX-LHR from May 26, 2107-Oct 29, 2017. DL Press Release
- 06/21/16 Delta Add SEA-SUN Daily Dec 21, 2016-Jan 2, 2017 and Saturday's only from Jan 7-Mar 25, 2017 with CRJ-700. Routesonline | Delta.com
- 06/29/16 Alaska Adds SEA-SBP (San Luis Obispo) Daily year round E175 operated by SkyWest on April 17, 2017. AS Press Release
- 07/13/16 Alaska Adding seasonal flights to SEA-SUN. Double Daily Q400 Dec 16-Jan 2 and an added Sat/Sun from Feb 18-Mar 26, 2017. AS Press Release
- 07/21/16 Alaska Increasing SEA-EWR to 3 Daily flights with 737 starting May 14, 2017. AS Press Release
- 07/21/16 Alaska Adds SEA-ICT (Wichita) NEW daily E175 operated by SkyWest starting April 13, 2017. AS Press Release
- 07/21/16 Alaska Adds SEA-IND (Indianapolis) NEW daily 737 starting May 14, 2017. AS Press Release
- 08/14/16 Delta Adds 2nd SEA-BOS Daily 737-800 starting June 8, 2017. DL Press Release | Routesonline
- 08/14/16 Delta Adds SEA-EUG NEW 3x daily CRJ-700 starting April 1, 2017. Routesonline
- 08/14/16 Delta Adds SEA-RDU NEW daily 737-800 starting June 8, 2017. Routesonline
- 08/31/16 Delta discontinues SEA-BIL nonstop flights. Delta.com
- 08/31/16 Delta discontinues SEA-JNU from year round to seasonal until May 19, 2017. Delta.com
- 09/05/16 Delta discontinues SEA-MSO and SEA-BZN nonstop flights. Delta.com
- 10/21/2016 Delta opens a beautiful, spacious, new lounge at SeaTac, further showing how uninspiring the Board Rooms are.
- 3/2/2020 Delta (re)adds SEA-LHR, adds SEA-CMH, SEA-DFW, more frequencies on existing routes. Delta.com
- Further chronology? Please add! Loss of benefits, etc.
DL Encroaches Further on AS' Turf - Master Thread
Sep 22, 2014, 7:00 am
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With AC (Rouge) adding YVR-KIX, prospects for DL's return don't seem strong.
Sep 22, 2014, 8:51 am
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Sep 22, 2014, 9:39 am
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Sep 22, 2014, 10:14 am
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As the third largest carrier ex-SEA, UA still has a lot of customers up that way who may be sticking with UA and accepting the connection in SFO for HND or NRT for that matter.
Sep 23, 2014, 2:16 pm
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Sep 23, 2014, 6:15 pm
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^
Alaska should take over Delta and either keep the Alaska name or compromise and decide on the Northwest name.
Instead of having the largest airlines being Texas International (or Continental), America West, and Delta, I like the United, Northwest, Pan Am, and TWA names. Since the Pan Am name is owned by someone else, how about the big three being TWA, United, and Northwest?
Alaska should take over Delta and either keep the Alaska name or compromise and decide on the Northwest name.
Instead of having the largest airlines being Texas International (or Continental), America West, and Delta, I like the United, Northwest, Pan Am, and TWA names. Since the Pan Am name is owned by someone else, how about the big three being TWA, United, and Northwest?
Sep 24, 2014, 7:23 am
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and for the nostalgia buffs they could operate Super-G Constellations and Stratocruisers and DC-7s
Sep 30, 2014, 11:46 pm
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DELTA is expanding planned operations on Los Angeles – Vancouver route, which previously scheduled to operate during the Christmas and New Year Holiday period from 18DEC14 to 05JAN15. The Skyteam member will expand service to year-round operation, including the addition of 2nd daily flight from 06JAN15.
DL5755 LAX0630 – 0920YVR E75 D
DL5758 LAX1925 – 2215YVR E75 D
DL5759 YVR0630 – 0930LAX E75 D
DL5770 YVR1730 – 2030LAX E75 D
http://airlineroute.net/2014/09/29/dl-laxyvr-jan15/
DL5755 LAX0630 – 0920YVR E75 D
DL5758 LAX1925 – 2215YVR E75 D
DL5759 YVR0630 – 0930LAX E75 D
DL5770 YVR1730 – 2030LAX E75 D
http://airlineroute.net/2014/09/29/dl-laxyvr-jan15/
Oct 6, 2014, 12:30 pm
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AA wants HND slot
AA asks FAA for DL's moribund HND slot
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...004218529.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...004218529.html
American Airlines Group Inc. asked U.S. regulators for flight rights to Tokyo held by Delta Air Lines Inc., saying the smaller carrier isn't making the best use of access to the Japanese capital's close-in Haneda airport.
By taking over the flight slot, American would operate year-round between Haneda and Los Angeles, a plan "substantially superior to Delta's near-dormant Seattle-Haneda service," according to a filing yesterday with the U.S. Transportation Department.
Delta, which is paring Haneda service starting this month, will only fly the Seattle route often enough to keep it from reverting to the Transportation Department, American said.
By taking over the flight slot, American would operate year-round between Haneda and Los Angeles, a plan "substantially superior to Delta's near-dormant Seattle-Haneda service," according to a filing yesterday with the U.S. Transportation Department.
Delta, which is paring Haneda service starting this month, will only fly the Seattle route often enough to keep it from reverting to the Transportation Department, American said.
Oct 6, 2014, 2:07 pm
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http://seattletimes.com/text/2024694181.html
n August, Alaska’s passenger traffic through Sea-Tac was up 9.4 percent compared with a year earlier, roughly in line with overall traffic growth at the airport, thanks to a strong local economy.
For the year through August, the hometown airline carried 51 percent of all the passengers passing through the airport. Delta’s share of Sea-Tac passenger traffic climbed to just shy of 15 percent, almost 2 points higher than four months earlier.
Delta’s growth is affecting the market share of international carriers out of Sea-Tac more than Alaska’s.
Year-to-date through August, United’s passenger traffic share at the airport was down 7 percent compared with the previous year.
For the year through August, the hometown airline carried 51 percent of all the passengers passing through the airport. Delta’s share of Sea-Tac passenger traffic climbed to just shy of 15 percent, almost 2 points higher than four months earlier.
Delta’s growth is affecting the market share of international carriers out of Sea-Tac more than Alaska’s.
Year-to-date through August, United’s passenger traffic share at the airport was down 7 percent compared with the previous year.
Oct 6, 2014, 11:17 pm
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It looks like DL is snatching customers from UA, not AS...
http://seattletimes.com/text/2024694181.html
http://seattletimes.com/text/2024694181.html
From this link: http://www.portseattle.org/About/Pub...s/default.aspx
Scroll down to here: Current and Historic Traffic and Operations Statistics
You can pull up the latest Total Passengers by Airline (1/14 through 7/2014), and also last year (1/13 - 7/2013).
What I see is:
AS (incl AS Skywest and Horizon)
2013 total pax: ~10,500,000
% Market Share: 52.29%
2014 total pax: ~10,970,000
% Market Share: 51.85%
DL (incl Delta Connections/Skywest)
2013 total pax: ~2,335,000
% Market Share: 11.64%
2014 total pax: ~2,826,000
% Market Share: 13.36%
UA (incl UAEX/Skywest)
2013 total pax: ~1,635,000
% Market Share: 8.15%
2014 total pax: ~1,820,000
% Market Share: 8.61%
DL's growth is the most dramatic, relatively: +500,000 pax year over year. And, from a smaller base, it does look like they took market share from AS.
AS also grew, +500,000 pax year over year. From their position of dominance though, this growth was not enough to maintain their market share % from the same period 2013.
UA grew by 190,000 pax year over year, and increased their market share to 8.61% in 2014.
This seems to contradict the article that eponymous_coward posted the link to:
"Year-to-date through August, United’s passenger traffic share at the airport was down 7 percent compared with the previous year."
I used excel for my math, so I do not think I added wrong...
Can somebody else take a look and try and figure out this discrepancy?
note: I did not include Compass in the above numbers. Does Compass at SEA fly exclusively for DL? If yes, that will bump them up a bit.
Oct 6, 2014, 11:35 pm
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CP is a legacy NW carrier...so sadly it does increase for DL...
CP is a legacy NW carrier...so sadly it does increase for DL...