Step on the scales
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Step on the scales
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travel-alerts
Brilliant idea to build current statistical information for passenger mass (pax plus bags) in relation to each route that NZ flies.
Brilliant idea to build current statistical information for passenger mass (pax plus bags) in relation to each route that NZ flies.
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Quite the comments!
No doubt some Karens and Kevins will take offence.
A rudimentary understanding of physics, particularly applied to weight would help the Stuff crowd.
If weight, lift, velocity, airfoil are too complex, they need to first push their skinny cousin a wheel barrow along the flat then up a ramp, followed by their fat Uncle Albert. It might help their understanding.
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How anybody could even create those questions for a poll beggars belief. It's not a question of weighting people OR bags.
They shut down the comments pretty quickly but leaving that poll up reflects directly on the poor levels of reporting that's becoming pretty normal for them now.
They shut down the comments pretty quickly but leaving that poll up reflects directly on the poor levels of reporting that's becoming pretty normal for them now.
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I understand that getting weighed is voluntary.
I understand that no numbers will be visible.
And yet I wonder if those who are at the higher end will participate. There is so much shaming about being heavy that it could be tough to step on the scales. So will the study actually get a true range?
I understand that no numbers will be visible.
And yet I wonder if those who are at the higher end will participate. There is so much shaming about being heavy that it could be tough to step on the scales. So will the study actually get a true range?
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I understand that getting weighed is voluntary.
I understand that no numbers will be visible.
And yet I wonder if those who are at the higher end will participate. There is so much shaming about being heavy that it could be tough to step on the scales. So will the study actually get a true range?
I understand that no numbers will be visible.
And yet I wonder if those who are at the higher end will participate. There is so much shaming about being heavy that it could be tough to step on the scales. So will the study actually get a true range?
If you travel on small charter flight, fixed or rotary wing, you have to be weighed for W&B.
As for shaming, that is purely subjective.
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I understand that getting weighed is voluntary.
I understand that no numbers will be visible.
And yet I wonder if those who are at the higher end will participate. There is so much shaming about being heavy that it could be tough to step on the scales. So will the study actually get a true range?
I understand that no numbers will be visible.
And yet I wonder if those who are at the higher end will participate. There is so much shaming about being heavy that it could be tough to step on the scales. So will the study actually get a true range?
#9
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Yeah thats a good point, they probably wont get a representative sample because some people will have body image issues that make them shy about hopping on the scales in front of people - even if the number isnt displayed. TBH it seems a weird way to get an idea of the average passengers weight - they could get anonymised aggregated data from Stats NZ or MoH classified by age / gender / etc. Surely that would be better quality data than 10,000 pax measured every 5 years.
MoH won't have it either. Very rough weights may be held GPs. But not sure MoH could aggregate that data as no need. Number of people who are obese etc maybe collect that as could help health policy & strategy.
None of those would cover and those who actually fly which is the population they want.
Also my understanding is they are also collecting carryon weights which Stats and MoH wouldn't have either.
And Stats and MoH would only cover citizens and residents which isn't reflective of the passenger load. As a statistically significant number of pax would be from outside of NZ.
Plus other things airlines have control over like bedding, food carts, utensils, etc.
Also weighing pax aligns with international standards and best practice.
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I agree there is likely insufficient suitable data held for this task.
On general stats there presumably must be some data aggregation as we do hear occasionally that x% of the adult population is afflicted with [insert condition].
https://www.health.govt.nz/nz-health...ity-statistics
On general stats there presumably must be some data aggregation as we do hear occasionally that x% of the adult population is afflicted with [insert condition].
The New Zealand Health Survey 2020/21 found that:
- around 1 in 3 adults (aged 15 years and over) were classified as obese*(34.3%), up from 31.2% in 2019/20
- there was a significant increase from 2019/20 to 2020/21 for women (31.9% to 35.9%), but not for men
- the prevalence of obesity among adults differed by ethnicity, with 71.3% of Pacific, 50.8% of Māori, 31.9% of European/Other and 18.5% of Asian adults obese
- adults living in the most socioeconomically deprived areas were 1.6 times as likely to be obese as adults living in the least deprived areas**
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I agree there is likely insufficient suitable data held for this task.
On general stats there presumably must be some data aggregation as we do hear occasionally that x% of the adult population is afflicted with [insert condition].
https://www.health.govt.nz/nz-health...ity-statistics
On general stats there presumably must be some data aggregation as we do hear occasionally that x% of the adult population is afflicted with [insert condition].
https://www.health.govt.nz/nz-health...ity-statistics
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It would be good representative data of the NZ population - but maybe not of flyers?
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