JFK-AKL diversions begin.
Oct 3, 22, 7:54 am
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Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth
I'm more than happy to knock NZ and I've flown them quite a bit. Which is why I knock them and try to avoid flying them since ~2005. They are one of my least favourite airlines. I'd even rather fly one of the mainline US carriers (Alaska) over NZ.
Oct 3, 22, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth
I'm more than happy to knock NZ and I've flown them quite a bit. Which is why I knock them and try to avoid flying them since ~2005. They are one of my least favourite airlines. I'd even rather fly one of the mainline US carriers (Alaska) over NZ.
Oct 3, 22, 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by prelude
...well.
Speaking of this, I am curious how they do the calculations for MTOWs in estimating passenger weights. Regardless of fairness, I know for a fact a lot of the time myself and my luggage combined would be significantly lighter than most individual passengers in a cabin. Do they just assume that (conservatively) everybody in the cabin is 100 kg for example or do they use some creative mathematics/modelling?
What if you have a whole plane full of rugby players... surely they will be much heavier than a plane full of high school children on tour?
Speaking of this, I am curious how they do the calculations for MTOWs in estimating passenger weights. Regardless of fairness, I know for a fact a lot of the time myself and my luggage combined would be significantly lighter than most individual passengers in a cabin. Do they just assume that (conservatively) everybody in the cabin is 100 kg for example or do they use some creative mathematics/modelling?
What if you have a whole plane full of rugby players... surely they will be much heavier than a plane full of high school children on tour?
In Canada TC (Cdn version of CA) break it down to gender and season given Canadian winters and required clothing.
Air NZ will have regional differences such as Pacific Islands
Oct 3, 22, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by sbiddle
Air NZ have an aircraft that's perfectly capable of flying this route.
If the aircraft is not filled, no headwind and everyone has a bowel movement before boarding, it may make it. That is not an aircraft "perfectly capable"
A perfectly capable aircraft would be filled (albeit with reduced seat numbers, all business/Prem Y given distance), filled at premium prices, with everyone's luggage on board and make the distance.
Not the taking a knife to a gunfight approach that Air NZ has done.
Oct 3, 22, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by taupo
So far they have shown they don't.
If the aircraft is not filled, no headwind and everyone has a bowel movement before boarding, it may make it. That is not an aircraft "perfectly capable"
A perfectly capable aircraft would be filled (albeit with reduced seat numbers, all business/Prem Y given distance), filled at premium prices, with everyone's luggage on board and make the distance.
Not the taking a knife to a gunfight approach that Air NZ has done.
If the aircraft is not filled, no headwind and everyone has a bowel movement before boarding, it may make it. That is not an aircraft "perfectly capable"
A perfectly capable aircraft would be filled (albeit with reduced seat numbers, all business/Prem Y given distance), filled at premium prices, with everyone's luggage on board and make the distance.
Not the taking a knife to a gunfight approach that Air NZ has done.
Then there is flying a route in a commercially sustainable way, which they are most probably struggling with. And QF flying the route from March will make it hard for AirNZ, as will look bad if they can't make it work. Some white tails or GE 789s in a desert will be super handy right now, I would guess.
Oct 3, 22, 5:40 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
How long until they start weighing passengers...
2. Americans love carry ons. They also get streesed out about bin space
There are other stereotypes here which I won't mention, I've lived in Europe for many years now, I can stay that with certainty .
I am not the typical traveller, I usually check bags and don't care about carry on space because I'm usually in a premium cabin where an entire bin is at my disposal.
Oct 3, 22, 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by nzkarit
There is flying the route which they are doing. Plane is doing this happily.
Then there is flying a route in a commercially sustainable way, which they are most probably struggling with. And QF flying the route from March will make it hard for AirNZ, as will look bad if they can't make it work. Some white tails or GE 789s in a desert will be super handy right now, I would guess.
Then there is flying a route in a commercially sustainable way, which they are most probably struggling with. And QF flying the route from March will make it hard for AirNZ, as will look bad if they can't make it work. Some white tails or GE 789s in a desert will be super handy right now, I would guess.
What it does have is a very marginal performance benefit, and as to ether or not that will make a material difference is something we're not going to know until they start flying the route.
Oct 3, 22, 11:11 pm
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I think its funny that this thread I started has taken a life of its own. Lets note
1) Not a single NZ1 flight has actually been diverted. Though they came quite close.
2) Other than 60 bags been offloaded on the first day, nothing bad has happened so far.
3) As a result, the pax count has been reduced even further, which has improved flight performance.
What I will note is the following :
The flight has been consistently late, leaving and arriving an several hours past their scheduled time. Once the departure performance improves, I guess NZ has figured out the kinks. However, northern winter is coming, lets hope they don't need to cut the pax numbers even further.
1) Not a single NZ1 flight has actually been diverted. Though they came quite close.
2) Other than 60 bags been offloaded on the first day, nothing bad has happened so far.
3) As a result, the pax count has been reduced even further, which has improved flight performance.
What I will note is the following :
The flight has been consistently late, leaving and arriving an several hours past their scheduled time. Once the departure performance improves, I guess NZ has figured out the kinks. However, northern winter is coming, lets hope they don't need to cut the pax numbers even further.
Oct 4, 22, 6:23 am
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We flew in Y from Sydney to NYC via Auckland last week.
We fly the reverse route in November.
After flying to NYC from Sydney with United multiple times over 20 years I can say the ANZ flights were the best by far, crew, comfort and food wise.
This will be our route of choice from now on.
So we can’t ‘knock’ ANZ at all.
Our trip to the Cooks years ago was a similar experience.
We fly the reverse route in November.
After flying to NYC from Sydney with United multiple times over 20 years I can say the ANZ flights were the best by far, crew, comfort and food wise.
This will be our route of choice from now on.
So we can’t ‘knock’ ANZ at all.
Our trip to the Cooks years ago was a similar experience.
Oct 5, 22, 8:37 am
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Originally Posted by nzkarit
Link? Just interested in wording around status etc
Oct 5, 22, 1:06 pm
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Originally Posted by henrus
At this stage it seems to just be limited to fares sold from Australia. Economy fares to the US from Australia include two checked bags (only 1 bag from NZ). It seems like a very strange change to make as I doubt they've got a lot of bookings from AU to JFK via AKL.
Oct 5, 22, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by samyoull
The ex-AU base is a key market to make this viable, not sure where your assumption comes from here
There is a market as QANTAS is also going to offer AKL-JFK non stop. But that they may be more a sign that Domestic to/from International is a mess in Sydney. And people can start the journeys later if meet on Auckland than be in Sydney prior to the nothing departure.
Oct 5, 22, 3:00 pm
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Originally Posted by samyoull
The ex-AU base is a key market to make this viable, not sure where your assumption comes from here
Originally Posted by nzkarit
Yeah there is a lot of transit on to the evening NA departures from Aussie.
There is a market as QANTAS is also going to offer AKL-JFK non stop. But that they may be more a sign that Domestic to/from International is a mess in Sydney. And people can start the journeys later if meet on Auckland than be in Sydney prior to the nothing departure.
There is a market as QANTAS is also going to offer AKL-JFK non stop. But that they may be more a sign that Domestic to/from International is a mess in Sydney. And people can start the journeys later if meet on Auckland than be in Sydney prior to the nothing departure.
JFK is about ~1100 miles closer to AKL than SYD. Hence the QF flight
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Oct 6, 22, 1:05 am
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Hey all,
Despite all of this and the potential refuel in NAN, I would fly this route ANY day over being subjected to a 1-stop option through some horrible US airport. There is something very satisfying in know the bird you leave your origin on will be the one arrives at your home gate! I suspect our US based friends are beaten down by the poor offerings in most US carriers as well as used to the prison like conditions with TSA (thank god for global entry and TSA pre check!).
Despite all of this and the potential refuel in NAN, I would fly this route ANY day over being subjected to a 1-stop option through some horrible US airport. There is something very satisfying in know the bird you leave your origin on will be the one arrives at your home gate! I suspect our US based friends are beaten down by the poor offerings in most US carriers as well as used to the prison like conditions with TSA (thank god for global entry and TSA pre check!).
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Oct 6, 22, 4:38 am
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Slightly OT
if one was looking to go NZ via JFK to France, is it fair to say theres tight verging on impossible connections for same night flights?
Cant seem to see any day flights to CDG from JFK eitherwas thinking of trying the TWA hotel, but thinking it might be better heading to city, then EWR. (not fussed on star alliance, happy to mix it up)
if one was looking to go NZ via JFK to France, is it fair to say theres tight verging on impossible connections for same night flights?
Cant seem to see any day flights to CDG from JFK eitherwas thinking of trying the TWA hotel, but thinking it might be better heading to city, then EWR. (not fussed on star alliance, happy to mix it up)
