JFK-AKL diversions begin.
Sep 25, 2022, 10:27 am
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Not bad offer, I’d probably take it if they were able to get me back via another port within a day or so.
Sep 25, 2022, 11:17 am
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Considering the Prime Minister was on yesterdays flight flying back from the UN, they are not about to divert the plane or offload bags.
Sep 25, 2022, 1:34 pm
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Is a bit closer but dispatch behind the scenes would have been earning their keep on these flights.
Sep 26, 2022, 2:25 am
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Is this such a huge problem? So long as people don't have to deplane, a fuel stop shouldn't be that much of a business issue—especially given the lack of appealing alternatives for NYC-AKL travelers. "Fine, it's a direct flight with a 45-minute stop on the way. What you gonna do about it?"
I might even start marketing it as a direct flight with a super-convenient seventh-inning stretch on the Nadi tarmac.
Sep 26, 2022, 12:56 pm
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Looks like there is potentially a stop sell in place on all flights from the US until the 1st Nov.
Zero seats on NZ metal from SFO, LAX, IAH, ORD and JFK until that date.
I know school holidays are coming up so flights are chokka for the first couple of weeks but this seems rather strange. I wonder if there are plans to cut loadings even further?
Zero seats on NZ metal from SFO, LAX, IAH, ORD and JFK until that date.
I know school holidays are coming up so flights are chokka for the first couple of weeks but this seems rather strange. I wonder if there are plans to cut loadings even further?
Last edited by sbiddle; Sep 26, 2022 at 1:03 pm
Sep 26, 2022, 8:41 pm
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Looks like there is potentially a stop sell in place on all flights from the US until the 1st Nov.
Zero seats on NZ metal from SFO, LAX, IAH, ORD and JFK until that date.
I know school holidays are coming up so flights are chokka for the first couple of weeks but this seems rather strange. I wonder if there are plans to cut loadings even further?
Zero seats on NZ metal from SFO, LAX, IAH, ORD and JFK until that date.
I know school holidays are coming up so flights are chokka for the first couple of weeks but this seems rather strange. I wonder if there are plans to cut loadings even further?
Sep 26, 2022, 9:05 pm
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And hopefully that should solve the problem. The ticket prices are so high already, they will probably need to charge more to make up the difference. Sell more skynests!
Sep 27, 2022, 1:22 pm
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stuff.co.nz -->Air New Zealand's New York woes deepen with ghost flight revealed
It’s last Friday afternoon and Auckland Airport is busy with packed planes taking off for the long weekend – as part of a public holiday to mark the Queen’s death.
However, there was one Air New Zealand flight that was unusually quick down the runway – taking off earlier than it normally would. That’s because it had no commercial passengers on board. The A321 – with 214 seats – did a quick left hand turn over Flatbush then headed straight for Fiji. It was all part of a plan to avoid a plane full of passengers coming from New York being stranded on a tropical island. Sounds idyllic? Well, it wasn’t for the airline, which has had a nightmare start to its new flagship route.
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However, there was one Air New Zealand flight that was unusually quick down the runway – taking off earlier than it normally would. That’s because it had no commercial passengers on board. The A321 – with 214 seats – did a quick left hand turn over Flatbush then headed straight for Fiji. It was all part of a plan to avoid a plane full of passengers coming from New York being stranded on a tropical island. Sounds idyllic? Well, it wasn’t for the airline, which has had a nightmare start to its new flagship route.
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Sep 27, 2022, 2:42 pm
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That will not translate to a profitable flight and in the Year 2022 very few airlines fly prestige routes any longer without a return on their investment. Predict a tech stop will be added. And will be marketed as "direct".
Sep 27, 2022, 3:58 pm
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Need the v3 cabins and some GE engines sooner rather than later. Wonder if any white tails and/or lease aircraft sitting in a desert.
Sep 29, 2022, 1:45 pm
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Sep 29, 2022, 2:03 pm
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Sep 29, 2022, 2:08 pm
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The A321 was part of the tech stop planning, not a replacement for it.
A long stop at NAN would have screwed up the scheduling for the later flights planned to use that aircraft, while a quick tech stop would allow the aircraft to continue to AKL and be used for later flights. I suspect the financial impact of having the aircraft stuck at NAN for many hours would be larger than the cost of flying the new crew to NAN.
Last edited by Peter Snijder; Sep 29, 2022 at 2:13 pm
Sep 29, 2022, 5:59 pm
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The point is they have it down to 180 pax on the plane on the ride back.
I just hope that as Northern Winter winds prevail, that number will be enough.
They will need to offload people already as some flights around Christmas time / holidays have been sold out of months, some on all cabins, at the old number of 215
I just hope that as Northern Winter winds prevail, that number will be enough.
They will need to offload people already as some flights around Christmas time / holidays have been sold out of months, some on all cabins, at the old number of 215