APD earning on codeshares
Jul 26, 2022, 2:14 am
#1
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APD earning on codeshares
Quick question for people out there who are more experienced with Airpoints than me.
At the moment looking to go to the states for work in Nov. Air NZ fares are nothing should of ludicrous for what I’m looking for.
Planning on doing AKL-JFK // ATL - AKL
NZ only comes in at $10900
UA on the other hand, comes in at $8500
The AKL-JFK sector is on NZ 2, but sold as a UA codeshare. Can’t for the life of me figure out APD earning on the website. The UA return is on UA, so points earning will be mauled anyways (since Airpoints is a stingy program anyways)
Anyone know how I can figure out APD/SP earning on the UA codeshare AKL-JFK? The Airpoints calculator is not offering an option
At the moment looking to go to the states for work in Nov. Air NZ fares are nothing should of ludicrous for what I’m looking for.
Planning on doing AKL-JFK // ATL - AKL
NZ only comes in at $10900
UA on the other hand, comes in at $8500
The AKL-JFK sector is on NZ 2, but sold as a UA codeshare. Can’t for the life of me figure out APD earning on the website. The UA return is on UA, so points earning will be mauled anyways (since Airpoints is a stingy program anyways)
Anyone know how I can figure out APD/SP earning on the UA codeshare AKL-JFK? The Airpoints calculator is not offering an option
Jul 26, 2022, 2:42 am
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Quick question for people out there who are more experienced with Airpoints than me.
At the moment looking to go to the states for work in Nov. Air NZ fares are nothing should of ludicrous for what I’m looking for.
Planning on doing AKL-JFK // ATL - AKL
NZ only comes in at $10900
UA on the other hand, comes in at $8500
The AKL-JFK sector is on NZ 2, but sold as a UA codeshare. Can’t for the life of me figure out APD earning on the website. The UA return is on UA, so points earning will be mauled anyways (since Airpoints is a stingy program anyways)
Anyone know how I can figure out APD/SP earning on the UA codeshare AKL-JFK? The Airpoints calculator is not offering an option
At the moment looking to go to the states for work in Nov. Air NZ fares are nothing should of ludicrous for what I’m looking for.
Planning on doing AKL-JFK // ATL - AKL
NZ only comes in at $10900
UA on the other hand, comes in at $8500
The AKL-JFK sector is on NZ 2, but sold as a UA codeshare. Can’t for the life of me figure out APD earning on the website. The UA return is on UA, so points earning will be mauled anyways (since Airpoints is a stingy program anyways)
Anyone know how I can figure out APD/SP earning on the UA codeshare AKL-JFK? The Airpoints calculator is not offering an option
The online calculator appears not to have this route loaded under the Partner tab. The earn will be based on the UA booking class, and should be similar to SFO-SIN (13,588km)m which earns Discount Biz 55 SP, and Full Biz 185 SP. Waaaaaay less than the earn on NZ’s 086 stock ticket of 346-489 SP.
I think you must contact AirNZ and ask them. Bring tissues.
Last edited by Thai-Kiwi; Jul 26, 2022 at 2:49 am
Jul 26, 2022, 2:44 am
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So UA is the Marketing Carrier, and NZ js just the operating carrier. And you want to accrue to NZ Airpoints. Whilst cheaper in $$$ terms, the SP/APD earn may be relative worse that buying the fare from NZ.
The online calculator appears not to have this loaded under the Partner tab. The earn will be based on the UA booking class, and should be similar to SFO-SIN (13,588km) Discount Biz 55 SP, and Full Biz 185 SP.
I think you must contact AirNZ and ask them.
The online calculator appears not to have this loaded under the Partner tab. The earn will be based on the UA booking class, and should be similar to SFO-SIN (13,588km) Discount Biz 55 SP, and Full Biz 185 SP.
I think you must contact AirNZ and ask them.
I Suspected that I would need to contact them to ask. Oh well I'll flick an email. The reality is that the extra SP/APD really isn't worth the 2500 ish I save. Air NZ pricing is truly ridiculous...
Jul 26, 2022, 4:32 am
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For the Air NZ operated sectors you should earn based on the Air NZ rate.
The difficulty is knowing what NZ booking class the UA one maps to. A word of warning though, you may need to apply for a correction when you complete your trip. Pre-Covid, there was an issue with the way NZ flights accrue on OAL ticket stock. This is due to NZ's accrual system reading the first letter of the fare basis in order to determine earn rates. They may have resolved this but I'm not sure. This could quite often work in your favour but sometimes it doesn't.
Some examples that would be in your favour:
The difficulty is knowing what NZ booking class the UA one maps to. A word of warning though, you may need to apply for a correction when you complete your trip. Pre-Covid, there was an issue with the way NZ flights accrue on OAL ticket stock. This is due to NZ's accrual system reading the first letter of the fare basis in order to determine earn rates. They may have resolved this but I'm not sure. This could quite often work in your favour but sometimes it doesn't.
Some examples that would be in your favour:
- *A RTW Business Fare
- Fare basis = CRWSTAR1
- Books into Z class on NZ
- Earns C class points for that sector
- *A RTW Economy Fare
- Fare basis = YRWSTAR1
- Books into M class on NZ
- Earns Y class points for that sector
- SQ Business Fare AKL-SIN (SQ marketed/NZ operated)
- Fare basis = C12NZO
- SQ C class (from recollection) maps to NZ Z class
- Earns C class points for that sector
- LH First Fare AKL-LAX-FRA
- Fare basis = AFFNZ
- Books into C class AKL-LAX on NZ
- Earns A class (PE) points for that sector but entitled to C class
- UA Business Fare AKL-SFO (UA marketed/NZ operated)
- Fare basis = PFE9XECP
- UA P class maps to NZ J class
- Earns P class (discount economy) points for that sector but entitled to J class
Jul 26, 2022, 5:29 am
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Good to know the mapping. It really reminds me why I prefer OW usually. Unfortunately the cheapest OW option on AA is about 11k which is a shame...
Maybe I'll just credit to another star program at this point.
Maybe I'll just credit to another star program at this point.
Jul 26, 2022, 1:28 pm
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Why would AirNZ give the same APD/SP earn on a UA sold tix (NZ metal) flight, as for a NZ sold/operated flight ?
Specifically, on the NZ site on the UA page it is stated (noting AKL-SFO is an exception):
All other United routes:
As an Airpoints member, subject to your booking class being eligible, you will earn Airpoints Dollars as per the Partner tab on our Airpoints Calculator.
As an Airpoints member, subject to your booking class being eligible, you will earn Airpoints Dollars as per the Partner tab on our Airpoints Calculator.
Jul 26, 2022, 5:39 pm
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I've personally flown on a number of NZ operated, OAL ticketed sectors and earned the appropriate points (including those which required manual adjustment like I outlined earlier). This has included non-*A tickets such as EK/AF/BA etc.
Jul 26, 2022, 5:45 pm
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Air NZ earning rules are based on the booking class that you travel in. That is why on the APD/SP calculator, each booking class for NZ metal flights have different earn rates. This is regardless of how it is ticketed (with a few exceptions such as CX marketed etc).
I've personally flown on a number of NZ operated, OAL ticketed sectors and earned the appropriate points (including those which required manual adjustment like I outlined earlier). This has included non-*A tickets such as EK/AF/BA etc.
I've personally flown on a number of NZ operated, OAL ticketed sectors and earned the appropriate points (including those which required manual adjustment like I outlined earlier). This has included non-*A tickets such as EK/AF/BA etc.
Jul 26, 2022, 6:00 pm
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Yes, the big one are flights to/from SIN. NZ charge the same fares between their metal and SQ metal but you only earn partner rates for SQ metal flights (even if NZ marketed). It makes a very big difference to the number of points you earn. Plus, if the flight is NZ marketed/SQ operated those points don't go towards the minimum NZ component of the Elite qualification/requalification requirements.
Jul 26, 2022, 7:24 pm
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I mean realistically there aren’t that many other decent *A options for earn/burn regionally. I need to look into whether I should sign up to UA MP, do a status challenge and earn some orphaned miles perhaps rather than being toss a tiny handful of peanuts from Airpoints
Jul 26, 2022, 7:36 pm
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I mean realistically there aren’t that many other decent *A options for earn/burn regionally. I need to look into whether I should sign up to UA MP, do a status challenge and earn some orphaned miles perhaps rather than being toss a tiny handful of peanuts from Airpoints
Jul 27, 2022, 4:56 am
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Yes, the big one are flights to/from SIN. NZ charge the same fares between their metal and SQ metal but you only earn partner rates for SQ metal flights (even if NZ marketed). It makes a very big difference to the number of points you earn. Plus, if the flight is NZ marketed/SQ operated those points don't go towards the minimum NZ component of the Elite qualification/requalification requirements.
Jul 27, 2022, 12:16 pm
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Dont disagree with this.... which other * programme gives (semi) decent points for full fare Y flexirefund tickets tho? Its easy ish to meet the 4 united or SQ flights in long haul but would be good to be able to get more use out of my NZ domestic fares...?
Thanks
Thanks