LAX - AKL Award Space August

Old Feb 11, 21, 7:22 am
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LAX - AKL Award Space August

Hello,

Has Air NZ suspended all award space since the pandemic? I'm looking for August availability (any class) for August and haven't seen anything for months.

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Old Feb 11, 21, 9:35 am
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I assume you are aware of the restrictions on entering NZ that will still be in place then? Unless you are a NZ passport holder or have residency your chances of getting into NZ are around 0% - and even with a passport or residency your chances of getting in during August will be pretty low as well demand will far exceed supply.

Having award space is IMHO pretty pointless considering MIQ space for the whole month will probably fill up in a day or so once it is released (which probably won't be until around April) so it's not possible to be fussy around flight dates because you'll probably be dictated to by date availability in MIQ which is only going to become far more scarce.

Air NZ barely ever released any award seats on that route in the past so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see zero availability now.
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Old Feb 11, 21, 11:22 am
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Given the circumstances, I can't imagine NZ opening award space when it can likely sell the very limited space at full premium cash prices.

In any event, won't you have to be assured of admissibility and have your MIQ space in place before you even begin the air reservations?
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Old Feb 11, 21, 12:39 pm
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Aren't they required to release award space or is this another "enhancement" as part of the Covid-19 situation?
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Not going to happen, NZ are blocking out all economy buckets except Y/B.

If you want to come to NZ on *A miles UA SFO-SYD//NZ SYD-AKL is your best (and probably only) bet.
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Old Feb 11, 21, 1:07 pm
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I assume you are aware of the restrictions on entering NZ that will still be in place then? Unless you are a NZ passport holder or have residency your chances of getting into NZ are around 0% - and even with a passport or residency your chances of getting in during August will be pretty low as well demand will far exceed supply.

Having award space is IMHO pretty pointless considering MIQ space for the whole month will probably fill up in a day or so once it is released (which probably won't be until around April) so it's not possible to be fussy around flight dates because you'll probably be dictated to by date availability in MIQ which is only going to become far more scarce.

Air NZ barely ever released any award seats on that route in the past so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see zero availability now.
Yep, NZ passport holder. Not true that chances are low to get in for August, just need to be organized and prompt when August MIQ is released. You are right, supply is definitely outstripping supply in that regard!

My strategy is to look at all conceivable options of routings (of which there aren't that many of!) and book a couple refundable ones as back up plans when/if I secure MIQ space. Obviously that's more attractive with miles than $ in the current climate.
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Not going to happen, NZ are blocking out all economy buckets except Y/B.

If you want to come to NZ on *A miles UA SFO-SYD//NZ SYD-AKL is your best (and probably only) bet.
And unless your a New Zealand Citizen or Permanent Resident, your changes are near zero of getting to the country until 2022. Even with an COVID-19 vaccine, itís highly unlikely to see free movement from the US-NZ this year.
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There is no solid business reason to release award space currently.
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Old Feb 11, 21, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by codyc1515 View Post
Aren't they required to release award space or is this another "enhancement" as part of the Covid-19 situation?
Required by whom?

NZ sets its fare buckets, including what is available for redemption.

As others note, the number of seats which can be sold is effectively set by the NZ government and as that number is far below aircraft capacity, the likelihood of redemption space into NZ is close to nil. Not much higher via Australia on UA.
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Originally Posted by Often1 View Post
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As others note, the number of seats which can be sold is effectively set by the NZ government and as that number is far below aircraft capacity, the likelihood of redemption space into NZ is close to nil. Not much higher via Australia on UA.
They arenít limited to how many seats they can sell (unlike Australia). New Zealand changed to an voucher based system late las year. Making it simpler for airlines, and puts the management of passengers numbers back on the passenger.

Every passenger wanting to travel to travel to New Zealand, is required to have booked an MIQ Voucher. These give an 48hr period to book your flight, then provide your confirmed flight details to the government to secure your MIQ hotel room.

https://allocation.miq.govt.nz/portal/
Here you will see an indication of ability, which you see everything till the end of March is currently booked out. MIQ has approximately 5000 rooms nights per day. This is taken an hit recently with the Pullman being temporary pulled from the pool of room, as transmission within the hotel.
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Originally Posted by mosfet View Post
Yep, NZ passport holder. Not true that chances are low to get in for August, just need to be organized and prompt when August MIQ is released. You are right, supply is definitely outstripping supply in that regard!

My strategy is to look at all conceivable options of routings (of which there aren't that many of!) and book a couple refundable ones as back up plans when/if I secure MIQ space. Obviously that's more attractive with miles than $ in the current climate.
Chances are low - because current demand for MIQ (and it's only going to get far worse as the year goes on) currently far exceeds supply. As the world slowly starts to open up in a few months and NZ remains isolated this is only going to get far worse. There are estimates the number of people who missed out on spots for April/May far exceeded the number of slots, so while you need to be quick, luck is also playing a part.

Award bookings are available for (in reality) for 99% of Air NZ customers since the vast majority are NZ FFP members where every seat available is a reward seat.
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Award bookings are available for (in reality) for 99% of Air NZ customers since the vast majority are NZ FFP members where every seat available is a reward seat.
Not true ex-US (I've tried)
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Originally Posted by sbiddle View Post
Chances are low - because current demand for MIQ (and it's only going to get far worse as the year goes on) currently far exceeds supply. As the world slowly starts to open up in a few months and NZ remains isolated this is only going to get far worse. There are estimates the number of people who missed out on spots for April/May far exceeded the number of slots, so while you need to be quick, luck is also playing a part.
The only hope would be if the Tasman Bubble finally opens up, although that is looking slimmer by the day.

Approx 40% capacity is currently being used on people returning from Australia.
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The only hope would be if the Tasman Bubble finally opens up, although that is looking slimmer by the day.

Approx 40% capacity is currently being used on people returning from Australia.
Tasman opening up would be a game-changer for MIQ for sure.

I've seen random dates pop up here and there on the MIQ portal from cancelations of flights and people releasing them back into the pool. A few great Facebook groups which have a lot of data of exactly when MIQ space is released which makes the hunt a bit easier if you're quick and dedicated!
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They arenít limited to how many seats they can sell (unlike Australia). New Zealand changed to an voucher based system late las year. Making it simpler for airlines, and puts the management of passengers numbers back on the passenger.

Every passenger wanting to travel to travel to New Zealand, is required to have booked an MIQ Voucher. These give an 48hr period to book your flight, then provide your confirmed flight details to the government to secure your MIQ hotel room.

https://allocation.miq.govt.nz/portal/
Here you will see an indication of ability, which you see everything till the end of March is currently booked out. MIQ has approximately 5000 rooms nights per day. This is taken an hit recently with the Pullman being temporary pulled from the pool of room, as transmission within the hotel.
But that doesn't change the fact that one would be a fool to book without knowing that one has a slot. Thus, MIQ is the delimeter for carrier capacity.
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