Another enhancement - Goodbye water bottles
Jul 11, 2019, 5:33 pm
#46
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Auckland
Programs: NZ*GE / EK*GOLD
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Oooh now that's a result! I've tried asking for it but never successfully... though come to think of that, I may have been on a TT flight.
Having said that, I could have sworn that we got pre-departure drinks in PE trans-Tasman recently, but now I'm doubting myself... though it's always been inconsistent, I think some crews just decide to do it anyway even if it's not strictly part of the protocol. Given that it's Dulcet, I've learned not to touch it.
The one exception was when they were running the Hi-Fly aircraft on AKL-SYD, and in addition to getting (old school) business class seats if you were booked in PE, you also got business class booze instead of the economy swill. Happy days!
Having said that, I could have sworn that we got pre-departure drinks in PE trans-Tasman recently, but now I'm doubting myself... though it's always been inconsistent, I think some crews just decide to do it anyway even if it's not strictly part of the protocol. Given that it's Dulcet, I've learned not to touch it.
The one exception was when they were running the Hi-Fly aircraft on AKL-SYD, and in addition to getting (old school) business class seats if you were booked in PE, you also got business class booze instead of the economy swill. Happy days!
Jul 11, 2019, 7:05 pm
#47
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
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Dulcet is a custom product made exclusively for Air NZ, hence the closure is a requirement of that.
Jul 12, 2019, 5:00 pm
#50
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Byron Bay or Kuala Lumpur
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Look, I enjoy flying PE/BP when I can and sure you expect to be able to 'get what you want' within reason. Without 'rocking the boat' within this community... all of this moaning about not getting a newspaper, or a bottle of water is trivial and entitled. We should be more concerned about the substantial waste that travel (emissions, consumables) create and do our best to minimise waste. Easy solution to these 'inconveniences', bring your reusable water bottle, bring a keep-cup and have it in your bag - very easy solutions to help reduce our already large (and generally increasing (in the OECD)) carbon footprints. Small individual steps make a big difference and AirNZ are (finally) leading the way here on our/their excessive consumption - however, I'm not going to applaud them for it as I expect it from a large, profitable business.
Jul 12, 2019, 7:25 pm
#51
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: AKL
Programs: NZ Silver
Posts: 1,815
Look, I enjoy flying PE/BP when I can and sure you expect to be able to 'get what you want' within reason. Without 'rocking the boat' within this community... all of this moaning about not getting a newspaper, or a bottle of water is trivial and entitled. We should be more concerned about the substantial waste that travel (emissions, consumables) create and do our best to minimise waste. Easy solution to these 'inconveniences', bring your reusable water bottle, bring a keep-cup and have it in your bag - very easy solutions to help reduce our already large (and generally increasing (in the OECD)) carbon footprints. Small individual steps make a big difference and AirNZ are (finally) leading the way here on our/their excessive consumption - however, I'm not going to applaud them for it as I expect it from a large, profitable business.
Jul 12, 2019, 8:33 pm
#52
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: NZ *E
Posts: 344
I guess they could provide a reusable water bottle at the seat that they wash afterwards?
For me part of the allure of traveling in a premium cabin is having less to 'pre-prepare' for a flight -- eg. not having to rush around the airport for snacks, water bottles, absolutely needing my own headphones, etc but rather having the airport as a relatively stress free experience knowing it'll all work out once I'm in the plane.
For me part of the allure of traveling in a premium cabin is having less to 'pre-prepare' for a flight -- eg. not having to rush around the airport for snacks, water bottles, absolutely needing my own headphones, etc but rather having the airport as a relatively stress free experience knowing it'll all work out once I'm in the plane.
Jul 12, 2019, 9:35 pm
#53
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: New Zealand (when I'm home!)
Programs: Air NZ Elite
Posts: 1,218
Look, I enjoy flying PE/BP when I can and sure you expect to be able to 'get what you want' within reason. Without 'rocking the boat' within this community... all of this moaning about not getting a newspaper, or a bottle of water is trivial and entitled. We should be more concerned about the substantial waste that travel (emissions, consumables) create and do our best to minimise waste. Easy solution to these 'inconveniences', bring your reusable water bottle, bring a keep-cup and have it in your bag - very easy solutions to help reduce our already large (and generally increasing (in the OECD)) carbon footprints. Small individual steps make a big difference and AirNZ are (finally) leading the way here on our/their excessive consumption - however, I'm not going to applaud them for it as I expect it from a large, profitable business.
Jul 12, 2019, 11:19 pm
#54
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Maybe they could offer PE/J water bottles that are essay to refill, I’m happy to refill the bottle.
Jul 13, 2019, 12:12 am
#55
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NZ
Posts: 731
This is all a con, and money pinching rather than environmental. They never can explain why without humans we have had ice ages and thaws.
Reckon in 100 yrs or so we will look back at biggest con trick in history since religion and PC got forced on us.
Jul 13, 2019, 2:15 am
#56
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Location: NZ
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“ They never can explain why without humans we have had ice ages and thaws. Reckon in 100 yrs or so we will look back at biggest con trick in history since religion and PC got forced on us.”
while completely agree this sort of thing from an airline who planning on expanding their network is tokenism at best and cost saving with a nice coat of greenwash at worst. Your statement above is simply wrong - if your “they” is climate scientists or paleobiologists - they absolutely can and have - cyclical climate change over geological time is well explained.
I will avoid the anthropogenic arguments currently entirely given this is FlyerTalk - but that statement is simply wrong.
while completely agree this sort of thing from an airline who planning on expanding their network is tokenism at best and cost saving with a nice coat of greenwash at worst. Your statement above is simply wrong - if your “they” is climate scientists or paleobiologists - they absolutely can and have - cyclical climate change over geological time is well explained.
I will avoid the anthropogenic arguments currently entirely given this is FlyerTalk - but that statement is simply wrong.
Jul 13, 2019, 8:56 am
#57
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: SYD
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Jul 13, 2019, 2:35 pm
#58
Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: SQ TPPS (21),QF G, NZ E, IHG D Amb, Marriott Gold, HH Gold, Shangri-La Jade, Accor Plat, Hertz P
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But by spending the money you are causing more pollution. Just stop flying. Always wonder why when they have big global warming conferences they pick most expensive and hard to get places, then to fly in J, any reason they cannot use net or would they miss out out on FF points?
This is all a con, and money pinching rather than environmental. They never can explain why without humans we have had ice ages and thaws.
Reckon in 100 yrs or so we will look back at biggest con trick in history since religion and PC got forced on us.
Jul 13, 2019, 6:14 pm
#59
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,632
The thing where everyone worked really hard to minimise any public facing issues? Y2K was a really big issue and if the work wasn't done there would have been a bucket load of issues.
Or may be stopping CFCs and seeing the ozone hole get smaller as a result?
Or may be stopping CFCs and seeing the ozone hole get smaller as a result?
Jul 13, 2019, 8:13 pm
#60
Join Date: Apr 2017
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The similarity is that a lot of so-called “experts” are making bucketloads of money out of it and are completely unaccountable. None of us will be around to know.
