Air NZ to replace 777-200ER with 787-10

Old May 28, 19, 2:57 pm
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Given that there are options for another 12 787s. Could cover the 77W as well with some extras. Having a smaller plane could mean more frequency or more destinations?

Future Higher MTOW 787s could help with the cargo may be.

Also when Wellington gets the longer runway it would be better suited for 787s than the 777Xs. (Though would mean they would need to become AirNZ opposed to AirAKL)
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Old May 28, 19, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by nzkarit View Post
Given that there are options for another 12 787s. Could cover the 77W as well with some extras. Having a smaller plane could mean more frequency or more destinations?

Future Higher MTOW 787s could help with the cargo may be.

Also when Wellington gets the longer runway it would be better suited for 787s than the 777Xs. (Though would mean they would need to become AirNZ opposed to AirAKL)
Luxon has said the 777-300 is an entire new project, I dont see the 787 replacing the 773.
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Old May 29, 19, 2:33 am
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Originally Posted by Rebound View Post
Luxon has said the 777-300 is an entire new project, I dont see the 787 replacing the 773.
NZ will only have 8 777 planes left so does it really make sense to replace them with a A350 or 777x when the fleet would be so simple with more 787s? However the 777 wont be replaced till at least 2025 so its a long way off.
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Originally Posted by mellon View Post
NZ will only have 8 777 planes left so does it really make sense to replace them with a A350 or 777x when the fleet would be so simple with more 787s? However the 777 wont be replaced till at least 2025 so its a long way off.
By 2025 i think we could expect an 787-9MAX or like, surely by then the model would need an midlife re-fresh.
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Old May 29, 19, 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by cavemanzk View Post
By 2025 i think we could expect an 787-9MAX or like, surely by then the model would need an midlife re-fresh.
well NZ is not getting all the 787s it ordered till 2023? ( I think I read that somewhere) And with all the current engine issues it might be a lot longer before RR and others decided to make any more efficient Jet engines. Also 797 has been delayed in part because engine manufacturers will not commit to Boeing for a new engine for 2024.
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Air NZ won't have their full 10x 787-10 until FY 2028. Delivery dates were outlined on Monday.

They of course could change this or order additional -9s that could arrive before then.
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Air NZ won't have their full 10x 787-10 until FY 2028. Delivery dates were outlined on Monday.

They of course could change this or order additional -9s that could arrive before then.
So if the eight 787-10s, which won't all be delivered until 2027, are the replacement for the eight 772s, which will apparently all be gone from the fleet by 2025, how does that work? Surely there's a shortfall for a couple of years there?
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Old May 30, 19, 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by mad_atta View Post
So if the eight 787-10s, which won't all be delivered until 2027, are the replacement for the eight 772s, which will apparently all be gone from the fleet by 2025, how does that work? Surely there's a shortfall for a couple of years there?
No definitive date has been set for the full exit of the 772 fleet - they could be still there beyond 2025. If they did exit in 2025, then yes they would have fewer aircraft.

Air NZ also have options for 789's that they could get delivered before 2025 as well, and it would not surprise me if we saw that happen particularly if they do launch EWR within the next couple of years.
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Originally Posted by mad_atta View Post
So if the eight 787-10s, which won't all be delivered until 2027, are the replacement for the eight 772s, which will apparently all be gone from the fleet by 2025, how does that work? Surely there's a shortfall for a couple of years there?
If you look at the recent A321/320s and 789 orders, the purchased craft were announced ahead of time. And then closer to the time the fleets has leases aircraft added to the mix. I would expect the same to happen here, basically helps protect them from any down turn by own commiting partly this far out.
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Originally Posted by sbiddle View Post
No definitive date has been set for the full exit of the 772 fleet - they could be still there beyond 2025. If they did exit in 2025, then yes they would have fewer aircraft.

Air NZ also have options for 789's that they could get delivered before 2025 as well, and it would not surprise me if we saw that happen particularly if they do launch EWR within the next couple of years.
AirNZ's own press release (linked at the start of this thread) says that all the 772s "will be phased out by 2025". Not that all plans aren't subject to change, of course...

I agree that we might well see more 789s in the mix, though.
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Old Sep 23, 19, 6:33 pm
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Looks like they have signed now

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1W82P4
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