New route
Mar 27, 2019, 8:11 pm
#16
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: NZ *E
Posts: 345
I'm not sure how they can "enhance" the seat in any meaningful way while still keeping the exact same herringbone configuration (other than a change in fabric color, tray table etc)
The problem is they keep doing these band aid solutions (such as that BP refit in the 77Ws a year or so back with an identical seat) rather than moving forward
Compared to some of the competition, it's not really that competitive these days particularly for tall travelers (eg. Some Polaris rows on United have very generous leg room where I don't need to contort myself)
The problem is they keep doing these band aid solutions (such as that BP refit in the 77Ws a year or so back with an identical seat) rather than moving forward
Compared to some of the competition, it's not really that competitive these days particularly for tall travelers (eg. Some Polaris rows on United have very generous leg room where I don't need to contort myself)
Mar 27, 2019, 9:24 pm
#17
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Programs: NZ*G ELT, VA-G
Posts: 3,597
They really should have picked a new seat at least a couple of years back and when the new aircraft are delivered they can then "enhance" it again.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:26 pm
#18
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 52
I don't think they can push it any further than the delivery of the new long haul aircraft. What they are doing now is realising that the current seats are losing competitiveness quickly and they can't wait for the new aircraft.
They really should have picked a new seat at least a couple of years back and when the new aircraft are delivered they can then "enhance" it again.
They really should have picked a new seat at least a couple of years back and when the new aircraft are delivered they can then "enhance" it again.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:32 pm
#19
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,643
Suppose that will give them a chance to see what comes out of Project Sunrise
Mar 27, 2019, 9:33 pm
#20
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NZ
Programs: NZ*E, QF-G, EK-P
Posts: 605
higher walls? But that risks coffin feeling.
increase forward angle - but they lose space so that reduces seat number so cannot see that happening.
wider space ? Same
think sounds like just new leather! Current curve of walls couldn’t even accomodate bigger screens could they? Slightly better padding in up position?
Maybe I’ll be surprised
Sounds like smoke and mirrors pending a big upgrade in 4-5 years.
The package of food service is reasonable long haul - just quality and variety that is poor at times - again interesting to see what they have planned.
previously demonstrated meals on demand doesn’t work with staffing. Perhaps “book the chef” concept?
increase forward angle - but they lose space so that reduces seat number so cannot see that happening.
wider space ? Same
think sounds like just new leather! Current curve of walls couldn’t even accomodate bigger screens could they? Slightly better padding in up position?
Maybe I’ll be surprised
Sounds like smoke and mirrors pending a big upgrade in 4-5 years.
The package of food service is reasonable long haul - just quality and variety that is poor at times - again interesting to see what they have planned.
previously demonstrated meals on demand doesn’t work with staffing. Perhaps “book the chef” concept?
Mar 27, 2019, 9:39 pm
#21
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Auckland
Programs: NZ*GE / EK*GOLD
Posts: 2,510
HKG retimed to a mid-morning departure from AKL (1020/1645) for an immediate turnround in HKG to fly back to AKL as the existing NZ80 schedule. I know the overnight flight was popular with a lot of people for onward Asia connections, so a shame that's going.
With the JV and CX's additional flight over New Zealand summer it would have been nice to see from their combined metal a morning, afternoon and overnight departure from AKL and an equivalent afternoon, overnight and morning departure from HKG. At the moment the lack of a morning departure from HKG makes it hard for CX to sell connecting traffic from Europe other than London and Paris, as all of those flights arrive into HKG early morning.
With the JV and CX's additional flight over New Zealand summer it would have been nice to see from their combined metal a morning, afternoon and overnight departure from AKL and an equivalent afternoon, overnight and morning departure from HKG. At the moment the lack of a morning departure from HKG makes it hard for CX to sell connecting traffic from Europe other than London and Paris, as all of those flights arrive into HKG early morning.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:47 pm
#22
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Auckland
Programs: NZ Elite Partner/Silver (in own right), PR Classic, QF Bronze, UA Member, VA Red
Posts: 1,551
On my last two PR trips the planes have been less than 33% capacity - maybe the market is just not there despite there be way more Filipinos in NZ than Sth Koreans.
Mar 27, 2019, 9:55 pm
#23
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 52
higher walls? But that risks coffin feeling.
increase forward angle - but they lose space so that reduces seat number so cannot see that happening.
wider space ? Same
think sounds like just new leather! Current curve of walls couldn’t even accomodate bigger screens could they? Slightly better padding in up position?
Maybe I’ll be surprised
Sounds like smoke and mirrors pending a big upgrade in 4-5 years.
The package of food service is reasonable long haul - just quality and variety that is poor at times - again interesting to see what they have planned.
previously demonstrated meals on demand doesn’t work with staffing. Perhaps “book the chef” concept?
increase forward angle - but they lose space so that reduces seat number so cannot see that happening.
wider space ? Same
think sounds like just new leather! Current curve of walls couldn’t even accomodate bigger screens could they? Slightly better padding in up position?
Maybe I’ll be surprised
Sounds like smoke and mirrors pending a big upgrade in 4-5 years.
The package of food service is reasonable long haul - just quality and variety that is poor at times - again interesting to see what they have planned.
previously demonstrated meals on demand doesn’t work with staffing. Perhaps “book the chef” concept?
Mar 27, 2019, 9:58 pm
#24
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,497
higher walls? But that risks coffin feeling.
increase forward angle - but they lose space so that reduces seat number so cannot see that happening.
wider space ? Same
think sounds like just new leather! Current curve of walls couldn’t even accomodate bigger screens could they? Slightly better padding in up position?
increase forward angle - but they lose space so that reduces seat number so cannot see that happening.
wider space ? Same
think sounds like just new leather! Current curve of walls couldn’t even accomodate bigger screens could they? Slightly better padding in up position?
A major change in the LOPA like adjusting the angle of the seats would require CAA re-certification, so I would be surprised if it was that. It has the smell of a soft refresh to the seat similar to what CX did with their F seat a few years back.
Mar 27, 2019, 11:50 pm
#25
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 646
When NZ persisted with herringbone on 787, they ended up with less seats (1-1-1 config) compared to some airlines with staggered 1-2-1
I was going to say lipstick on a pig.
It would be disappointing if we ended up with refreshed herringbone after all that investment in "Hangar 22".
BA had the worst lie-flat, but they have now upped their game.
Had NZ-OKI been accompanied with SQ's Book The Cook along with satays. It would make those flights less painful.
Mar 28, 2019, 12:42 am
#26
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Auckland
Programs: NZ*GE / EK*GOLD
Posts: 2,510
Government issues around slots -
Mar 28, 2019, 2:16 am
#27
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,643
Hanger 22 is targetting the next widebody and not going to see it in this refresh from what AUsBT got out of AirNZ
Mar 28, 2019, 4:55 am
#29
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Zealand
Programs: NZ Elite, QF Platinum (LTS), VA Platinum
Posts: 1,672
Guessing it will be the same as the Taipei route where EVA sells NZ tickets to go up against China Airlines indirect competition and in Seoul Asiana will prob sell NZ tickets as competition to Korean.
Mar 28, 2019, 8:13 am
#30
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: YYZ/SFO/AKL
Programs: NZ*G, back of the bus UA, corner of the MLL AC.
Posts: 373