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When/Why is Business cheaper than Premium Economy

Old Jan 28, 19, 5:06 pm
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When/Why is Business cheaper than Premium Economy

Struck this (anomaly?) today when looking to book a fare to UK, admittedly the PE fare is about $1,000 higher than usual in my experience, so it is probably overpriced PE rather than 'cheap' J that is the factor here - we also experienced the same thing last year flying to HKG where it was cheaper to pay to fly in J than PE (and that was on NZ metal).

I guess it comes down to particular flights and loadings but it does seem crazy..... in others experience, does this happen often?



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Old Jan 28, 19, 5:18 pm
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Sometimes see PE cheaper than Y. Particularity to the islands. Demogrpahics and people flying those routes.

This one Y and J still have seats available in a sale bucket hence the deal flag.
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Old Jan 28, 19, 5:21 pm
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It could be a full fare ticket (fully refundable, changeable, etc. with no fees) for premium economy and some restrictive deep discount business class ticket. Inventory could be such that there's only a seat or two left in premium economy but many empty seats for sale in business class.

The DEAL purple triangle suggests that there could be a sale for coach and business class on your flight.
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Old Jan 28, 19, 5:58 pm
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I've seen (and booked) BP to Samoa when it was cheaper than Y and PE.
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Old Jan 28, 19, 9:22 pm
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Originally Posted by nzkarit View Post
Sometimes see PE cheaper than Y. Particularity to the islands......................
True, thinking back I have done a couple of TT flights in PE where it was cheaper than Y.

I have also flown EK in J Trans Tasman when it has been only $100 more than NZ wanted for Economy, just struck this once however (unfortunately! )
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Old Jan 29, 19, 3:52 pm
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Looking at the options it is probably a function of the number of seats NZ has access to on the CX flight and at what price. If that is a one-way fare to London then you seem to get a lot of well-priced flying for that price in Biz.
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Old Jan 29, 19, 4:08 pm
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Other airlines pull the same stunt. Booked AC Business class for thousands less than the same ticket in PE (Transpacific, only one seat left in PE, lot's of seats in J)

Does not happen often, but sure makes me feel better about sitting in J.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 11:04 pm
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Just booked BNE-AKL in May for $530NZD (was the same across most of the month - if you booked oneway) PE was going to be $750 or $500 for Seat+Bag....
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Old Apr 13, 19, 12:20 am
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Have you considered Singapore for TT. They have some good fares, full service as well.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 12:44 am
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Book Fiji for August in BP, cheaper than PE and Y on Air NZ. 773 - load factors perhaps
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Old Apr 13, 19, 1:02 am
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Originally Posted by ClanJ View Post
Have you considered Singapore for TT. They have some good fares, full service as well.
I have seen SQ First Class ex SYD to SIN for less NZ BP to SIN.
It is Premier several levels above BP.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 1:14 am
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Originally Posted by ClanJ View Post
Have you considered Singapore for TT. They have some good fares, full service as well.
They have good fares because Wellington ratepayers subsidise every passenger!
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Old Apr 13, 19, 1:44 am
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Originally Posted by sbiddle View Post
They have good fares because Wellington ratepayers subsidise every passenger!
Taxpayers in Cooks subsidise every N Z flight to/from Syd & Lax but never cheap.
In fact NZ could be racist in that so called Flexi fares to/from Cooks, Samoa, Tonga are not fully refundable over Xmas, they charge $200 to cancel, but go to Any other place and they are fully refundable.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 1:55 am
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Originally Posted by wayoutwest View Post

Taxpayers in Cooks subsidise every N Z flight to/from Syd & Lax but never cheap.
In fact NZ could be racist in that so called Flexi fares to/from Cooks, Samoa, Tonga are not fully refundable over Xmas, they charge $200 to cancel, but go to Any other place and they are fully refundable.
Cheaper than building a wall I guess.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by wayoutwest View Post

Taxpayers in Cooks subsidise every N Z flight to/from Syd & Lax but never cheap.

I don't see how you can compare the two subsidies. They share nothing in common.

RAR is a fully public subsidy that has undergone multiple reviews since it started in 2009. Whether the economic benefits stand up and deliver are still open to debate, but at least everything is out in the open.

Wellington ratepayers fund a deal done in secret with major details (such as exactly how much per year SQ get) not available and OIA requests to reveal it being rejected. To add to that the original purpose of the subsidy was to start WLG-CBR-SIN flights, but because both WLG-CBR and CBR-SIN routes didn't work SIN changed the routing of SIN-CBR so it was via SYD inbound, and then changed WLG routing via MEL but still kept the subsidy despite this route now having one of the highest load factors across the entire SQ network (sits around 92%)

Imagine if Air NZ decided to scrap RAR-SYD and RAR-LAX and instead fly everybody via AKL but still keep the subsidy. There would be outrage.
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