Air NZ to codeshare with Qantas
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Might be one of those articles but I did read it included reciprocal SP/SC earn which NZ never had with VA. Was only APD. I think the most I ever earned in economy was 4 APD so I'm expecting SP earn to be abysmal. So I wouldn't get your hopes up.
If they're going to go like for like then Elite should get the domestic business lounges. I expect EP1 to get Chairmans Lounge, and NZ Gold and Koru to access the Qantas club for the Qantas club members and their own gold members.
If they're going to go like for like then Elite should get the domestic business lounges. I expect EP1 to get Chairmans Lounge, and NZ Gold and Koru to access the Qantas club for the Qantas club members and their own gold members.
No comment yet from those who complained about this in the past.
I guess this is what many are all willing to put up with for a larger lounge network.
If NZ's alliance with CX / SQ etc. are anything to go by, I expect SP earn on QF metal to be equally stingy, like for like.
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NZ/VA competed with QF/QF or EK/QF for through flights to domestic Oz.
In NZ NZ/VA competed with QF/JQ for through flights.
In NZ NZ/VA competed with QF/JQ for through flights.
For the most part JQ operates separate to QF
CI / QF already codeshare CHC-MEL-TPE but QF will not sell me a QF coded CHC MEL ticket on CI operated flight (I have asked). During summer CI is my most common airline MEL<--->CHC. A schedule that suits me, prices low and at times business class can be a little than NZ economy.
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#35
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IME QF never offered JQ NZ flights in conjunction with TT QF flights. But at times EK did.
For the most part JQ operates separate to QF
CI / QF already codeshare CHC-MEL-TPE but QF will not sell me a QF coded CHC MEL ticket on CI operated flight (I have asked). During summer CI is my most common airline MEL<--->CHC. A schedule that suits me, prices low and at times business class can be a little than NZ economy.
For the most part JQ operates separate to QF
CI / QF already codeshare CHC-MEL-TPE but QF will not sell me a QF coded CHC MEL ticket on CI operated flight (I have asked). During summer CI is my most common airline MEL<--->CHC. A schedule that suits me, prices low and at times business class can be a little than NZ economy.
Anyway, in light of this QF/NZ tie up, I don't think it would be fair if Qantas codeshares with CI as well. They would have every alliance in their back pocket AND EK on SYD-CHC, leaving VA out in the cold (as if the QF/NZ tie up wasn't enough of a blow).
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Have been a frequent passenger on CI57-CI58 MEL<---->CHC from late Nov to late March for several years. Only runs in the summer.
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For AKL-WLG in conjunction with trans-Tasman QF offers both NZ & JQ (usually for the same fare). I nearly always pick NZ - better schedule and if anything goes wrong there are plenty of other flights to be moved to.
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Mwenenzi if you check Qantas site from Sydney to Napier where JQ fly it comes up with JQ onwards. Try Sydney to Tauranga where JQ don't fly but NZ do, you'll find NZ flying the domestic leg. Just examples.
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Ausralia and New Zealand have an SAM (Single Avation Market) agreement - meaning that either airlines form either side of the Tasman have full rights and access to the other country.
im reality there is nothing that should in theory stop QF for selling an standalone AKL-WLG on an QF code on an flight operated by NZ.
If that's the case, why is anything in this thread even newsworthy?
The SAM is about which airlines are permitted to operate international service between the two countries. It makes no provision as regards allowing all participants to codeshare on all other participants...that is a commercial decision which each individual airline will make for themselves.
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Because for most of this century so far they've been direct enemies. Air NZ investing in Virgin (and then investing heavily just to keep them afloat) caused potentially billions of dollars of financial impact to Qantas in their home market as both airlines fought each other and dumped capacity on routes. Jetstar entering the NZ market was seen as a response to that solely to hurt NZ in their home market, with no real evidence to suggest than the NZ operations are at all profitable despite some media suggesting they are - NZ domestic operations are not broken out fully in financial results as they're run by Eastern Australian airlines.
The QF/EK partnership on TT routes was also seen as a way to hurt NZ, and the introduction of AA on the AKL/LAX route in conjunction with QF was also a direct hit on Air NZ.
They were enemies - and the fact they're now best friends has certainly come as a shock to lots of people. As part of the bigger picture however what they're going is very logical, and during both the '70s and '90s QF and NZ codeshared on each others services on the TT routes.
The QF/EK partnership on TT routes was also seen as a way to hurt NZ, and the introduction of AA on the AKL/LAX route in conjunction with QF was also a direct hit on Air NZ.
They were enemies - and the fact they're now best friends has certainly come as a shock to lots of people. As part of the bigger picture however what they're going is very logical, and during both the '70s and '90s QF and NZ codeshared on each others services on the TT routes.
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More info on the codeshare agreement:
https://www.ausbt.com.au/earning-air...tm_source=hero
No status points on domestic QF flights even when they have an NZ Number.
No Qantas Club access for Koru members.
https://www.ausbt.com.au/earning-air...tm_source=hero
No status points on domestic QF flights even when they have an NZ Number.
No Qantas Club access for Koru members.
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Correction- that is for my TT flights, you are correct for internal. Having said that NZ have given me SP's on internal VA flights when they have put me on VA after a disrupt.
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This codeshare and FFP agreement is only useful to a very small portion of travellers. Just as their AR agreement, it is very difficult to take advantage if any of the available benefits on the other carrier.
I can't really see the QF relationship going further. When the VA management changed hands, it would be so much easier to switch back to VA and would make much more sense.
I can't really see the QF relationship going further. When the VA management changed hands, it would be so much easier to switch back to VA and would make much more sense.