2 h lax at mid-day from TBI to terminal 6.
#16
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You complete passport control, grab your checked bags and follow the transfer signage. Drop your bags on the indicated transfer baggage belt. As you go to leave that area it is on your right hand. The sign says something like "gates 40-130". If you miss the transfer security, you would continue up and into the main part of the TBIT terminal.
It does pose the question though of why they don't use this area for NZ2/NZ1 transit pax as presumably it's always going to be quicker than the regular mezzanine floor TSA screening?
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I've never been through this transfer security as the times I've transited NZ6 - NZ2 or NZ1 - NZ5 have been when I've headed outside to enjoy some fresh SoCal air after dropping off my bags.
It does pose the question though of why they don't use this area for NZ2/NZ1 transit pax as presumably it's always going to be quicker than the regular mezzanine floor TSA screening?
It does pose the question though of why they don't use this area for NZ2/NZ1 transit pax as presumably it's always going to be quicker than the regular mezzanine floor TSA screening?
In a perfect world, NZ transit pax would go to a specific single TSA desk for only processing that flight (a little like the old process straight off the aircraft), and then head to that quicker transit TSA checkpoint in an expedited fashion. Can't see that happening any time soon though!
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In a perfect world, NZ transit pax would go to a specific single TSA desk for only processing that flight (a little like the old process straight off the aircraft), and then head to that quicker transit TSA checkpoint in an expedited fashion. Can't see that happening any time soon though!
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NZ do want to improve the transit experience and did report on meeting last year with US officials to work on that. I'm just not sure how much influence they'd have when it comes to having a special area for their ~150-200 or so transiting pax which then takes you back to looking at a transit lounge like they had previously which then removes lounge access as an option.
Thought I think LAX is busiest Origin and Departure airport and people don't do international transit there. So isn't the business driver for being sterile. And geographically the US isn't positioned to be an international hub. Just the corner cases of Pacific to Europe transit. Is Canada to South America overfly or do those flights do immigration in Canada so arrive in US as domestic flights.
Or AKL airport could push for a US Border post like Canada or Shannon so the flights into the US arrive "domestically"? Then they could let you off the plane directly into the departures area? So this "problem" could be solved in Auckland. Though NZ 1 would still arrive internationally into TBIT. But NZ2 and all the other flights to the US would be straight off. Though assumes TBIT has domestic baggage belts.
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I know a couple of people that work at the mid and high levels in NZ Immigration and they want nothing to do with US CBP if they can avoid it. They positively hate working with them. They even prefer the Italians (who they regard as lazy to the point of incompetence (oh, the stories and examples they have for the Italians...!)) to dealing with the Americans. The last thing I would want is the US Government setting up shop and applying US law in NZ.
#22
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I can't recall any US airports with a genuine I/I transit area: they've all required entering the US while in transit (HNL LAX SFO JFK ORD SEA MIA IAH over the years). Even the HNL "super hub" required going through US immigration in the middle of the night when transferring between CP/AC and NZ/QF.
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Useful map of LAX inter-terminal connections http://www.laxishappening.com/assets...Tunnel-Map.pdf
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the amazing thing is people wanting to go to USA but not LA, think they have to go thru LAX. SFO is so much better than LAX & has almost the same number of connecting flights. We choose SFO whenever we can rather than LAX to go beyond west coast.
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I don't dispute your comments.. but when the only time I've had it fail with an X since kiosks started in 2014 out of ~15ish visits was on a new passport and ETSA, the only time my GF has had it fail was on a new passport and ESTA, and at least 3 people I know who are also frequent travelers to the US have only had a X on a new passport and ESTA, it seems a little beyond coincidence.
The CBP agent even told me traveling on a new passport and ESTA will result in an X.
The CBP agent even told me traveling on a new passport and ESTA will result in an X.
I tried using this today and either I didn't see it or, if it was the one I thought it was, they prevented me from using it because I wasn't flying American Airlines. Just to be clear, do you walk out of the baggage drop-off area and then go to the right? That's what I did today and they wouldn't let me use it. Instead, I went to Terminal 4 and used the one there (I was flying back from AKL and wanted to use the International lounge to shower before flying on UA to SEA).
True, but it's only since 2008 that they've been applying the latest protocols and taking all fingerprints.
No. NonononoNONONO. AKL airport might ask for it all they want, but NZ Immigration would fight them every step of the way.
I know a couple of people that work at the mid and high levels in NZ Immigration and they want nothing to do with US CBP if they can avoid it. They positively hate working with them. They even prefer the Italians (who they regard as lazy to the point of incompetence (oh, the stories and examples they have for the Italians...!)) to dealing with the Americans. The last thing I would want is the US Government setting up shop and applying US law in NZ.
I know a couple of people that work at the mid and high levels in NZ Immigration and they want nothing to do with US CBP if they can avoid it. They positively hate working with them. They even prefer the Italians (who they regard as lazy to the point of incompetence (oh, the stories and examples they have for the Italians...!)) to dealing with the Americans. The last thing I would want is the US Government setting up shop and applying US law in NZ.
Last edited by Kumulani; Apr 6, 2018 at 12:53 am
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And I don't think you understand how preclearance works anyway. It's not "applying US law in NZ" - the preclearance area would be subject to NZ law alone and policed by NZ police.
NZ Police do not have anything to do with Immigration entry or exit, per se. That's the domain of Immigration NZ. But more to your point, US CBP would *require* the CBP staff to be immune to NZ law within the pre-clearance area, and would have a SoF-esque agreement in place for them outside, just as they do for US military at Harewood. CBP wouldn't do a pre-clearance system/station without such an agreement in place.
US CBP does not have powers of detention or arrest outside of the US.
Also, I would find it very strange if the NZ authorities were uniquely incapable of working with the US, given the several countries that already have preclearance, and the many more that are on track to get it, seem to be managing just fine...
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You've never dealt with the US, have you? They think they have all sorts of powers outside the US. To give you one example, CBP work with US Coast Guard to regularly detain & arrest drug smugglers in international waters off the coast of Columbia. They then take them to the US to prosecute. It doesn't matter where they were headed or that they were in international waters, the US claims US domestic law applies.
This made the news last year when Murray McCully (our foreign minister at the time) who was subjected to secondary screening despite traveling on a diplomatic passport.
#29
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Oh, I think I'm reasonably comfortable with my understanding of how it works, thanks. And I disagree: the entire point of US pre-clearance outside the US is for US CBP to apply/deny entry prior to arrival in the US: it is, by definition, the application of US law in NZ. If they are denied entry (and consequently, boarding) then the person is returned to the NZ side.
But more to your point, US CBP would *require* the CBP staff to be immune to NZ law within the pre-clearance area, and would have a SoF-esque agreement in place for them outside, just as they do for US military at Harewood. CBP wouldn't do a pre-clearance system/station without such an agreement in place.
You've never dealt with the US, have you? They think they have all sorts of powers outside the US. To give you one example, CBP work with US Coast Guard to regularly detain & arrest drug smugglers in international waters off the coast of Columbia. They then take them to the US to prosecute. It doesn't matter where they were headed or that they were in international waters, the US claims US domestic law applies.
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Reminds me very much of the private security at AKL that is responsible for secondary screening of pax on US bound flights seemingly under US legislation because they're not covered under NZ law as the powers only apply to Avsec officers.
This made the news last year when Murray McCully (our foreign minister at the time) who was subjected to secondary screening despite traveling on a diplomatic passport.
This made the news last year when Murray McCully (our foreign minister at the time) who was subjected to secondary screening despite traveling on a diplomatic passport.