Babies in Business Premier
Oct 16, 2017, 1:28 pm
#31
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Oct 18, 2017, 3:29 pm
#32
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Babies aren't the issue IMO, it's parents.
Oct 21, 2017, 2:34 am
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Moderator note: I deleted several posts that were off topic for this discussion and/or thinly veiled attacks on another member. I know this subject is often one that brings out many different emotions, but please remember and abide by our posting rules.
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Oct 26, 2017, 3:44 am
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Oct 26, 2017, 6:45 am
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Oct 26, 2017, 4:37 pm
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Nov 4, 2017, 8:53 pm
#37
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I’m looking at booking a trip to Europe with my wife an a 3 month old. I know there are bassinets in BP, but my wife thinks it’s not socially acceptable to bring a baby into business class. We are booked PE but have some elite upgrades to use. If you saw a baby when entering the BP cabin would you be upset?
Lap Infant(s) in Premium Cabins
Nov 9, 2017, 4:22 pm
#38
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NZ 1 couple of nights ago.<br />Two babies in second BP cabin. Between them screamed all the way to Auckland.<br />Impossible to sleep even with NC headphones and ear plugs.<br />One Mum great and one not so much.<br />I needed to go to work on arrival and I was shattered.<br />Work pay for J so I can be productive on arrival and I wasn’t.<br />It may be completely legit, but it isn’t fair on other passengers. You can dress it up as a right but that doesn’t make it reasonable on others.<br /><br />i can cope with smelly feet and the odd snorer but this tested my sanity over 12 hours.<br /><br />BCE
Nov 9, 2017, 9:08 pm
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Unfortunate, certainly; but unfair? Probably not in my book.
Airtravel is still public transport and being disturbed remains a risk when people travel in such close proximity to each other. Everbody is traveling for some reason, and probably just as important/necessary to them, as your meeting was to you.
We all know the alternatives; private charter, buy out the cabin, travel by sea/land, or consider the need to travel.
Just another point of view.
Airtravel is still public transport and being disturbed remains a risk when people travel in such close proximity to each other. Everbody is traveling for some reason, and probably just as important/necessary to them, as your meeting was to you.
We all know the alternatives; private charter, buy out the cabin, travel by sea/land, or consider the need to travel.
Just another point of view.
Nov 10, 2017, 12:23 am
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I agree to a point Thaikiwi - but I only get J for the ability to lie flat and get some sleep. Not for the food or a glass of wine. That’s what I paid $4k for this sector for - I was PE going over as had 48 hrs to recover and get organised - I didn’t on the way back - and Air NZ is complicit in this by advertising the product as one where you can sleep - it’s their main advertising point. If you cannot, it defeats the purpose. I don’t expect to sleep in E, but I do in J and pay for the privilege. I think it is unfair when someone else’s actions impact on that - babies, drunks, chronic farters or snorers. And Air Nz is again complicit by selling lap infant tickets in business.
Nov 10, 2017, 10:27 am
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I appreciate this is an emotive issue and I thought I had tried to stay polite.
Air NZ frequently advertise BP as a product with a lie flat bed and images of sleeping happy business class passengers are all over their BP advertising, so yes they do use it as a selling point.
My issue is with prolonged continuous noise, not the odd grizzle or fart or bad smell.
I pay significantly extra for the business class cabin to sleep and don’t want to drug myself. I pay for a degree of environmental control in the cabin, I not think that’s unreasonable. You obviously do. Which is fine, you don’t have to agree with me and obviously don’t.
BCE
Air NZ frequently advertise BP as a product with a lie flat bed and images of sleeping happy business class passengers are all over their BP advertising, so yes they do use it as a selling point.
My issue is with prolonged continuous noise, not the odd grizzle or fart or bad smell.
I pay significantly extra for the business class cabin to sleep and don’t want to drug myself. I pay for a degree of environmental control in the cabin, I not think that’s unreasonable. You obviously do. Which is fine, you don’t have to agree with me and obviously don’t.
BCE
Last edited by bce1; Nov 10, 2017 at 10:32 am
Nov 10, 2017, 10:43 pm
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Folks, it is clear that certain people simply cannot contain themselves and follow the very clear direction previously given by my mod colleague. As a result, a number of other posts which were highly inflammatory and personally offensive have been removed.
This thread has run its course and, much like all well behaved passengers, will now be put quietly to bed.
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This thread has run its course and, much like all well behaved passengers, will now be put quietly to bed.
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