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nzkarit Oct 19, 16 12:54 am

Possible 787 Order on the way
 
https://nyc787.blogspot.co.nz/2016/1...w-zealand.html



Possible 787 Order watch: Air New Zealand
I'm hearing from sources that Air New Zealand is doubling down on the 787.

The airlines' CEO was in Everett last week and apparently had come to an agreement to increase the airlines' 787 order but details are not available so I don't know the number or derivative(s). The CEO flew back on Air New Zealand's most recently delivered 787-9 which was delivered on October 12th.

Boeing has had a nice run of 787 orders boosting their 2016 787 sales campaign results to 61 net orders thanks to orders from mainly from China and Qatar. They can still achieve a book-to-bill greater than 1 if they can close the potential Emirates order this year.
If the Luxon was in Seattle does add some weight that it is more than rumour. Or maybe BOeing some work for 777X Vs A350?

Rebound Oct 19, 16 1:13 am

Air NZ has alot of options right? Firming them up? Or simply part of the plan for future 787's to be lower density.

The real question is, where the hell is Air NZ going to park them? AKL needs more gates!

dadig Oct 19, 16 1:33 am

The 787 isn't a nice experience unless you are at the pointy end. I'm not sure people realise the tiny tray tables would hardly fit a laptop for work.

After failing to clear Elite Upgrade i've now booked PE at a minimum

WLGNZ Oct 19, 16 4:22 am

At the pointy end the seat is narrow. And really sub-standard.
With any luck NZ will look to resolve this.
I have flown 777 back to back with 789 on NZ and the difference is noticable.
I avoid 789 where possible at the pointy end.

Kiwiwings Oct 19, 16 9:12 am

Would you agree that the 787 has significantly more isle width in BP than the 777?

sbiddle Oct 19, 16 11:38 am

I haven't flown BP in the 787 so don't have any comments on the seat width complaints but still really have to wonder about Air NZ's strategy of not wanting to look beyond the Virgin seats. Yes they're cheap, and yes I know they want product consistency across the long haul fleet but when pretty much every other 787 operator (apart from VS) have 1-2-1 and can fit far more seats in the same cabin then it's a big financial disadvantage to them.

I really would love to see numbers and figures, but clearly that's not going to happen!

cavemanzk Oct 19, 16 12:18 pm

Does make some sense that another 789 order is needed soon to keep up with expanding, the next couple of 789s are really going to be used up by cover partly the 763 exit by March'17.

Have heard allot about AKL-ORD recently maybe this could be apart of an new order? With NZ trying to build AKL into an hub between AU-US the more routes they can offer the better they have an chance of making it work.

sbiddle Oct 19, 16 1:02 pm

Does anybody know if Air NZ had options for 787's or did they just commit to the initial 12?

It would be very interesting to see if they are ordering more when they could actually receive these. The schedule is pretty full but I think it's safe to assume Boeing will be doing everything they can at present to keep Air NZ onboard. They obviously got the 2 ex test frames for a steal, but I wonder if Boeing promised anything else in return for the massive delays as launch customer?

kiwiandrew Oct 19, 16 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by sbiddle (Post 27367541)
Does anybody know if Air NZ had options for 787's or did they just commit to the initial 12?

Last I heard they still had 6 options.

dadig Oct 19, 16 5:22 pm

The pitch angle of the 787 is noticeable, but I wouldn't go to the extreme of saying sub-standard when compared to the 777 :)

edmm Oct 19, 16 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by dadig (Post 27368507)
The pitch angle of the 787 is noticeable, but I wouldn't go to the extreme of saying sub-standard when compared to the 777 :)

I think it is noticeably narrower and thus substandard. One review I read (can't remember where) put the seat width the same but the "distance between walls" 3 inches narrower. For me that makes it feel quite "tight", and I am rather small. It's still great for sleeping. I've taken several flights in 787 J and whilst I love the aircraft, I avoid it as much as possible and go for the 777 where possible. Whilst I can see their "consistency of product" argument I think it was a serious mistake by Air NZ (and it isn't a consistent product anyway).

mmonster Oct 19, 16 8:35 pm

787 is a good plane
but
hate, absolute hate the little step into the aisle from J seats.. why it cannot be flat?

NZbutterfly Oct 19, 16 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by Rebound (Post 27365085)
The real question is, where the hell is Air NZ going to park them? AKL needs more gates!

You're not wrong there! About 12 planes yesterday evening. Worst friggin lines I've ever seen at customs in my life!! People missing domestic connections left right and centre. Someone said the EK flights were late in :rolleyes: then you had the NZ wide bodies returning from Oz. Anyway I keep looking at the planes parked up and it's certainly very congested even without yesterday's anomaly (at least I hope it was an anomaly).

dadig Oct 19, 16 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by mmonster (Post 27369242)
787 is a good plane
but
hate, absolute hate the little step into the aisle from J seats.. why it cannot be flat?

Aho so true!! I kept tripping on that

sbiddle Oct 19, 16 8:54 pm


Originally Posted by NZbutterfly (Post 27369260)
You're not wrong there! About 12 planes yesterday evening. Worst friggin lines I've ever seen at customs in my life!! People missing domestic connections left right and centre. Someone said the EK flights were late in :rolleyes: then you had the NZ wide bodies returning from Oz. Anyway I keep looking at the planes parked up and it's certainly very congested even without yesterday's anomaly (at least I hope it was an anomaly).

There have been Air NZ 77W's using remote stands as of late.

drajknox Oct 19, 16 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by NZbutterfly (Post 27369260)
You're not wrong there! About 12 planes yesterday evening. Worst friggin lines I've ever seen at customs in my life!! People missing domestic connections left right and centre. Someone said the EK flights were late in :rolleyes: then you had the NZ wide bodies returning from Oz. Anyway I keep looking at the planes parked up and it's certainly very congested even without yesterday's anomaly (at least I hope it was an anomaly).

Came back on Monday on NZ124 and lines were back past luggage carousels - certainly a poor experience for those visiting the country for the first time and a frustrating one for those of us who wanted to get home.

hayzel7773 Oct 19, 16 9:16 pm

If you don't like the narrow seats, pay more. You get what you paid for!

cavemanzk Oct 20, 16 12:19 am


Originally Posted by sbiddle (Post 27369312)
There have been Air NZ 77W's using remote stands as of late.

Same thing last summer, AKL just keeps on taking more booking for slots that don't have gates!

sbiddle Oct 20, 16 12:32 am


Originally Posted by cavemanzk (Post 27369866)
Same thing last summer, AKL just keeps on taking more booking for slots that don't have gates!

5% of flights

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/85554701/auckland-international-airport-says-buses-part-of-every-great-airport

cavemanzk Oct 20, 16 1:13 am


Originally Posted by sbiddle (Post 27369895)

Great! got love the "Auckland International Airport says buses part of every great airport" line.

Trying to think of how many other great airports handle bus ops as bad as AKL, every other airport I've used buses its been quick and fast, AKL in the other hand...

West45 Oct 20, 16 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by dadig (Post 27369290)
Aho so true!! I kept tripping on that

YES!! It's so annoying.

macdo Oct 20, 16 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by cavemanzk (Post 27369997)
Great! got love the "Auckland International Airport says buses part of every great airport" line.

Trying to think of how many other great airports handle bus ops as bad as AKL, every other airport I've used buses its been quick and fast, AKL in the other hand...

I've had one really bad bus from gate to plane experience. Heathrow of course. There is something about inter terminal buses (Heathrow and Sydney for example) that I dislike. Usually the cumulative stress of other passengers on tight, or not so tight, connections plus I would usualy rather walk a transfer and stretch my legs.

jawnbc Oct 21, 16 5:41 pm

There are two problems that can be fixed concurrently: bus gates for widebody flights and arrivals congestion. Why NZ continues to schedule up to 5 international wide body flights arriving in the same early morning baffles me. Having to bus to the terminal after a 13 hour IAH AKL flight is very very annoying. Then the baggage claim area is chaotic and the queues hideous.

Trumpkin Oct 21, 16 6:38 pm


Originally Posted by jawnbc (Post 27377437)
Why NZ continues to schedule up to 5 international wide body flights arriving in the same early morning baffles me.

Quite likely to enable them to be used on TT flights during the day to increase their utilisation.

Kiwi Flyer Oct 22, 16 3:18 am

and to maximise connections in both USA and at AKL (NZ domestic plus trans-Tasman)

dadig Oct 22, 16 5:40 am

It costs a lot to have a plane parked at the tarmac, the likely scheduling minimises the arrangements by utilising the planes for TT , plus kiwis think it is acceptable to depart between 2300 hours and past midnight for long haul. Which could be fine, if you are not on Y class and arrive fresh and get to complete a business day prior to heading to the airport. NZ also doesn't have a day + night schedule on NZ metal/non codeshare on all routes.

Kiwi Flyer Oct 22, 16 7:27 pm

Parking on the tarmac isn't the issue per se. The aircraft are generally parked up for hours at airports in USA, EZE, etc.

mad_atta Oct 23, 16 5:50 am

I had never had the bus experience at AKL until a few months ago, and I have to agree it was handled incredibly badly. It seems that there is only room for one bus to be loading and unloading at once, and it took an absolute age. Thankfully we were on a loooong connection and it was only an irritation rather than threatening our travel plans, but I would have been *very* unhappy if an on-time arrival turned into a missed connection thanks to poorly designed bus handling and queues at immigration/MAF.

Kiwiwings Oct 23, 16 6:26 pm

Doed the current Auckland Airport expantion include any new international gates?

cavemanzk Oct 23, 16 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwiwings (Post 27384426)
Doed the current Auckland Airport expantion include any new international gates?

Last I heard it was adding 1 per year to peir B

sbiddle Oct 26, 16 6:30 pm

Has anybody heard a definite number of seats for the new low density config? All Air NZ have said so far is 27 BP and 33 PE.

With the QF launch today of 236 pax it's makes NZ's current 302 look terrible, and doing the math I'd still expect the new NZ low density config to be somewhere around 260-270

kiwiandrew Oct 30, 16 6:17 pm

Just curious, does anyone know when NZ's next board meeting is due ? I wondered whether there might be some update on additional 787 orders after the next meeting as all seems to have gone a bit quiet on this subject

EdFly Nov 26, 16 5:21 pm

Which are the best seats in Economy on the 787-9? I assume row 50, front of section, & exit row. Cost $95 seat select.

24left Aug 18, 18 8:15 am

NOTE: I bumped this thread from 2016 as it was the only one I found that was generic re NZ's 787s

Mods - feel free to move/merge if there is a better location for this post
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P.S. I think questions about seats etc should be in separate threads - many of which already exist.
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Blackcloud Aug 24, 18 5:52 pm

I see they have Dreamed up a solution to the RR Trent problems by not installing any at all:eek:;):p

macdo Aug 24, 18 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by Blackcloud (Post 30126613)
I see they have Dreamed up a solution to the RR Trent problems by not installing any at all:eek:;):p

That would be the Dreamglider. Tow it behind a DC3 :-)

24left Sep 11, 18 2:22 pm

5:59 PM - 10 Sep 2018




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sbiddle Sep 11, 18 2:23 pm

Still no WiFi..

24left Sep 11, 18 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by sbiddle (Post 30193317)
Still no WiFi..

Here, some perspective.....

In terms of the wide body fleet only:

AC started receiving its 8 - 788s back in in May 2014. No wifi
AC received its 27 - 789s between July 2015 - May 2018. No wifi.
Only some of the 25 existing 777 fleet (3 variants) have wifi
AC is putting wifi in the 8 A330s. Eventually.

AC FT has at least one entire thread dedicated to onboard wifi.
I can tell you, it is plenty frustrating or just plain weird, that here were are in September 2018, still waiting to have wifi on the pretty birds while crossing the planet.

I know the 2Ku wifi that they are installing is different than what some other airlines are using, but I had wifi on TPAC on BR in 2015, I had wifi on LH in 2015......
I'm not sure how airlines define "progress" in these matters. :D

STILL, look at your pretty new NZ bird. She's gorgeous.

sbiddle Sep 11, 18 5:55 pm

Air NZ's WiFi deployment has essentially been impacted by the 789 issues. They haven't been able to send the 777's to Singapore for the installs, and obviously can't take the 789's out of service either.

In regard to these two new 789's my understanding was that both were getting WiFi factory fitted and arriving with it. GX wasn't a factory fit at Charlotte when they received the earlier code2 aircraft last year, but it is now at Everett.

To see photos showing no antenna a week before the first aircraft is due would tend to indicate a last minute rush to fit it, or that it's not coming fitted.


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