Spaceseat axed from Boeing 777-300ER
Aug 29, 2016, 7:25 pm
#31
Join Date: Nov 2012
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That's disappointing.
I presume that this means that Luxon has made up his mind about this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...w-Airbus-A320s
I presume that this means that Luxon has made up his mind about this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...w-Airbus-A320s
Aug 29, 2016, 8:03 pm
#32
Join Date: Apr 2016
Programs: NZ Gold (*G)
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It is very disappointing. The options are very limited trying to fly Trans-Tasman business with air NZ when you live anywhere other than Auckland. I wonder if they have made a decision not to chase the "premium" end of the market and concentrate on the low to middle end, given the decisions to refurbish the 772 seats and give less J-seat space in 789 (and disembarkation after PE). Whilst I find the J seats comfortable, particularly for sleeping, they are falling way behind the competition.
As far as a future wide-body business seat, reverse herringbone seems the only option which is better than the current herringbone seat and still economic as far as space goes. Are there any other seating products which would be suitable to replace the current BP?
The Premier in Business Premier is french for first; I think that BP should be on the cutting edge of business class products.
Aug 29, 2016, 8:59 pm
#34
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I had a play with this seat at prototype seat at CES this year at the Panasonic Aero stand.. It was very nice.
Lots of airlines (incl Virgin Australia) have opted for the B/E Super Diamond. That would have also allowed 1-2-1 on the 789.
Lots of airlines (incl Virgin Australia) have opted for the B/E Super Diamond. That would have also allowed 1-2-1 on the 789.
Aug 29, 2016, 9:42 pm
#35
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That's disappointing.
I presume that this means that Luxon has made up his mind about this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...w-Airbus-A320s
I presume that this means that Luxon has made up his mind about this:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...w-Airbus-A320s
It is very disappointing. The options are very limited trying to fly Trans-Tasman business with air NZ when you live anywhere other than Auckland. I wonder if they have made a decision not to chase the "premium" end of the market and concentrate on the low to middle end, given the decisions to refurbish the 772 seats and give less J-seat space in 789 (and disembarkation after PE). Whilst I find the J seats comfortable, particularly for sleeping, they are falling way behind the competition.
Aug 29, 2016, 10:54 pm
#36
Join Date: Nov 2012
Programs: NZ GE, QF
Posts: 388
I still would not give out on the Business Class A321. I asked them as I thought it would still be good to tout their Spaceseat design to other airlines to be used as a narrowbody/regional business class seat, which would be the limit of what I would sit in. I had always thought that the Spaceseat would be removed from the 777-300ER once they confirmed the 787-9 and 777-200ER seats, so what better use for the surplus seats than in the new A321.
Sep 1, 2016, 5:13 pm
#37
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Location: Auckland, NZ
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ANA, new AA, Delta (at least) - all have 2-2-2 forward-facing with everyone having access to the aisle including window seats.
+ seat doesn't need flipping over to sleep (major irritation with NZ BP for me)
+ excellent privacy due to staggered layout (was benefit of Spaceseat, another peeve re BP).
agree NZ BP, like BA J, was once leading but now long-trailing the market.
+ seat doesn't need flipping over to sleep (major irritation with NZ BP for me)
+ excellent privacy due to staggered layout (was benefit of Spaceseat, another peeve re BP).
agree NZ BP, like BA J, was once leading but now long-trailing the market.
Oct 3, 2016, 4:41 am
#38
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I am glad that the spaceseats are going. They were uncomfortable for the passenger and uneconomic for the airline due to the weight of them and the footprint. Good riddance.
Oct 3, 2016, 4:52 am
#39
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To say they were uneconomic isn't exactly true. PE is an extremely profitable product for NZ - fitting more seats in the 77W simply allows them to be a lot more profitable as you can guarantee seat pricing won't drop with extra seats.
Oct 13, 2016, 4:44 pm
#41
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Definitely no Spaceseat for A321
Air New Zealand Airbus A321NEO: business class 'very unlikely'
Air New Zealand has all but ruled out business class on its forthcoming Airbus A321neo fleet, opting instead for an all-economy layout.
The Kiwi carrier had previously flirted with fitting a small business class cabin to the pointy end of the new single-aisle jets to help it better compete against Qantas, which offers business class on all trans-Tasman flights.
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However, with the delivery of the first A321neo now just one year away, Air New Zealand says "it's very unlikely the A321neo will have business class", the airline's Chief Revenue Officer Cam Wallace tells Australian Business Traveller.
"More and more the trans-Tasman market is being served by wide-body jets, and as we get more wide-bodies with business and premium seating, my instinct is that we will serve the business market with those wide-bodies," Wallace predicts.
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AirNZ's A321neo "is likely to have" some form of premium seating, Wallace confirms, such as extra-legroom Space+ rows or a Works Deluxe option in which the middle seats of the 3-3 configuration remain empty.....
Air New Zealand has all but ruled out business class on its forthcoming Airbus A321neo fleet, opting instead for an all-economy layout.
The Kiwi carrier had previously flirted with fitting a small business class cabin to the pointy end of the new single-aisle jets to help it better compete against Qantas, which offers business class on all trans-Tasman flights.
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However, with the delivery of the first A321neo now just one year away, Air New Zealand says "it's very unlikely the A321neo will have business class", the airline's Chief Revenue Officer Cam Wallace tells Australian Business Traveller.
"More and more the trans-Tasman market is being served by wide-body jets, and as we get more wide-bodies with business and premium seating, my instinct is that we will serve the business market with those wide-bodies," Wallace predicts.
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AirNZ's A321neo "is likely to have" some form of premium seating, Wallace confirms, such as extra-legroom Space+ rows or a Works Deluxe option in which the middle seats of the 3-3 configuration remain empty.....
Feb 9, 2017, 9:10 am
#42
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: LHR
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 156
Hi all,
Sorry to resurrect this thread but just wanted to check in regarding the refurb of the 777-300 to eliminate the Spaceseat.
I found this guidance in a press release on the Air New Zealand trade website, does anyone know if this is still the current timescale/plan? I was really hoping to try the Spaceseat LHR-LAX and return in June.
http://www.airnewzealandtrade.com/a-...-300er-upgrade
Customers flying NZ1/NZ2 London – Los Angeles - Auckland?
It is our intention at this stage for the Premium Economy Spaceseat™ to remain on NZ1 and NZ2 services until 28 August 2017. Please note, there may be occasions where due to maintenance requirements we will need to replace the aircraft operating these services with a reconfigured aircraft.
Customers flying NZ5/NZ6 Los Angeles – Auckland?
The refurbishment on our 777-300ER flying on the Los Angeles – Auckland route will be rolled our progressively from February 2017. Please note, any customers flying in Premium Economy on the NZ1/NZ2 between London and Los Angeles, and then onwards to Auckland on the NZ5/NZ6 may experience a difference in the Premium Economy seat during this time
Thanks so much for any info on how the refurb is progressing!
Sorry to resurrect this thread but just wanted to check in regarding the refurb of the 777-300 to eliminate the Spaceseat.
I found this guidance in a press release on the Air New Zealand trade website, does anyone know if this is still the current timescale/plan? I was really hoping to try the Spaceseat LHR-LAX and return in June.
http://www.airnewzealandtrade.com/a-...-300er-upgrade
Customers flying NZ1/NZ2 London – Los Angeles - Auckland?
It is our intention at this stage for the Premium Economy Spaceseat™ to remain on NZ1 and NZ2 services until 28 August 2017. Please note, there may be occasions where due to maintenance requirements we will need to replace the aircraft operating these services with a reconfigured aircraft.
Customers flying NZ5/NZ6 Los Angeles – Auckland?
The refurbishment on our 777-300ER flying on the Los Angeles – Auckland route will be rolled our progressively from February 2017. Please note, any customers flying in Premium Economy on the NZ1/NZ2 between London and Los Angeles, and then onwards to Auckland on the NZ5/NZ6 may experience a difference in the Premium Economy seat during this time
Thanks so much for any info on how the refurb is progressing!
Feb 9, 2017, 3:08 pm
#43
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 181
Hi all,
Sorry to resurrect this thread but just wanted to check in regarding the refurb of the 777-300 to eliminate the Spaceseat.
I found this guidance in a press release on the Air New Zealand trade website, does anyone know if this is still the current timescale/plan? I was really hoping to try the Spaceseat LHR-LAX and return in June.
http://www.airnewzealandtrade.com/a-...-300er-upgrade
Customers flying NZ1/NZ2 London – Los Angeles - Auckland?
It is our intention at this stage for the Premium Economy Spaceseat™ to remain on NZ1 and NZ2 services until 28 August 2017. Please note, there may be occasions where due to maintenance requirements we will need to replace the aircraft operating these services with a reconfigured aircraft.
Customers flying NZ5/NZ6 Los Angeles – Auckland?
The refurbishment on our 777-300ER flying on the Los Angeles – Auckland route will be rolled our progressively from February 2017. Please note, any customers flying in Premium Economy on the NZ1/NZ2 between London and Los Angeles, and then onwards to Auckland on the NZ5/NZ6 may experience a difference in the Premium Economy seat during this time
Thanks so much for any info on how the refurb is progressing!
Sorry to resurrect this thread but just wanted to check in regarding the refurb of the 777-300 to eliminate the Spaceseat.
I found this guidance in a press release on the Air New Zealand trade website, does anyone know if this is still the current timescale/plan? I was really hoping to try the Spaceseat LHR-LAX and return in June.
http://www.airnewzealandtrade.com/a-...-300er-upgrade
Customers flying NZ1/NZ2 London – Los Angeles - Auckland?
It is our intention at this stage for the Premium Economy Spaceseat™ to remain on NZ1 and NZ2 services until 28 August 2017. Please note, there may be occasions where due to maintenance requirements we will need to replace the aircraft operating these services with a reconfigured aircraft.
Customers flying NZ5/NZ6 Los Angeles – Auckland?
The refurbishment on our 777-300ER flying on the Los Angeles – Auckland route will be rolled our progressively from February 2017. Please note, any customers flying in Premium Economy on the NZ1/NZ2 between London and Los Angeles, and then onwards to Auckland on the NZ5/NZ6 may experience a difference in the Premium Economy seat during this time
Thanks so much for any info on how the refurb is progressing!
Feb 10, 2017, 12:32 pm
#44
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: LHR
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 156
The first plane went into the 'shop' recently, so would suggest the time-frame for completion being late 2017 is on-track, and if you're aiming to fly LHR-LAX-LHR return in June, you should be OK to get the Spaceseat (subject to no changes due to operational reasons).
Thanks so much for the update!
Mar 12, 2017, 10:01 pm
#45
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Tucson
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Posts: 78
Lax-lhr-lax
think I got a deal. Premium economy (still slated to be the space seat through June or July) for $1350 r/t
I like the 41" pitch. Should be comfortable but I have a question: they market the center seats for folks traveling together. What has been your feedback for a single traveler? I like the idea of inside aisle as no one to crawl over.
Thoughts?
I like the 41" pitch. Should be comfortable but I have a question: they market the center seats for folks traveling together. What has been your feedback for a single traveler? I like the idea of inside aisle as no one to crawl over.
Thoughts?
