Flying Blue FAQ
Mar 9, 2019, 4:18 am
#1066
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: CPT,AMS
Posts: 4,412
Then I spotted options with VN and CI for a similar price range, which I thought would yield far more miles on FB. Alas, on CI it would appear that P-class would earn nothing and on VN L-class seems to be ineligible too. I think I remember it being L-class for the latter, but it seems that a lot of the classes on these airlines earn nothing. How do you deal with these anomalies? I was thinking about calling expedia and asking them to book the next eligible class up manually, but I am not sure what the class ladder order is. Really, this has always been a problem with FB, hasn't it? Any way around this class letter restriction?
You don't necessarily need to know the "class ladder order", although this can easily be done by e.g. using ITA Matrix advanced search and choosing different fare class at a time, noting down the price, or alternatively expertflyer can show you all the fares for a specific route.
Mar 9, 2019, 9:27 am
#1067
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Eurostar Carte Blanche, SBB-CFF-FFS GA-AG, SNCF Grand Voyageur LeClub
Posts: 7,834
It isn't very difficult if you already qualified as Gold or Plat, 300XP can be easily achievable for several thousand € of "normal" flying, for example last year:
1. CPT-CDG-TLV-AMS-CPT in J, about 2800€ gives 120XP
2. CPT-AMS-JFK r/t in Y, about 1000€ gives 44XP
3. AMS-NBO-CPT r/t in J for ~1600€ gives 108XP
Amex Gold another 30XP
Total 302XP, add some extra short-haul flights and this year I need even less to re-qualify.
Also all above flights are nothing exceptional price wise, I'm fairly sure it can be done for cheaper.
1. CPT-CDG-TLV-AMS-CPT in J, about 2800€ gives 120XP
2. CPT-AMS-JFK r/t in Y, about 1000€ gives 44XP
3. AMS-NBO-CPT r/t in J for ~1600€ gives 108XP
Amex Gold another 30XP
Total 302XP, add some extra short-haul flights and this year I need even less to re-qualify.
Also all above flights are nothing exceptional price wise, I'm fairly sure it can be done for cheaper.
Last edited by San Gottardo; Mar 9, 2019 at 6:54 pm
Mar 16, 2019, 9:33 pm
#1068
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 610
Is there a way to find out saver availability inventory for routes other than searching on AF website? Based on a few searches with different destinations, there should be some lowest price availability for my route of interest in PE but AF.us disagrees.
Similarly, can I call in to book an overnight transfer at CDG that's not showing up online (<24h), assuming there is availability?
EDIT: Anyone know what's Flying Blue's problem with CDG-BEG? It's supposed to start on 31/3/2019, and revenue flights are available for booking on af.com. However, no nonstop flight availability shows up for any date, even though Delta sees the award availability. I've tried single date and "around this date", but no nonstop availability no matter what.
Similarly, can I call in to book an overnight transfer at CDG that's not showing up online (<24h), assuming there is availability?
EDIT: Anyone know what's Flying Blue's problem with CDG-BEG? It's supposed to start on 31/3/2019, and revenue flights are available for booking on af.com. However, no nonstop flight availability shows up for any date, even though Delta sees the award availability. I've tried single date and "around this date", but no nonstop availability no matter what.
Last edited by klanfa; Mar 16, 2019 at 10:09 pm
Mar 19, 2019, 4:56 am
#1069
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: CMN,DXB,CDG
Programs: Flying Blue Platinum
Posts: 764
Is there a way to find out saver availability inventory for routes other than searching on AF website? Based on a few searches with different destinations, there should be some lowest price availability for my route of interest in PE but AF.us disagrees.
Similarly, can I call in to book an overnight transfer at CDG that's not showing up online (<24h), assuming there is availability?
EDIT: Anyone know what's Flying Blue's problem with CDG-BEG? It's supposed to start on 31/3/2019, and revenue flights are available for booking on af.com. However, no nonstop flight availability shows up for any date, even though Delta sees the award availability. I've tried single date and "around this date", but no nonstop availability no matter what.
Similarly, can I call in to book an overnight transfer at CDG that's not showing up online (<24h), assuming there is availability?
EDIT: Anyone know what's Flying Blue's problem with CDG-BEG? It's supposed to start on 31/3/2019, and revenue flights are available for booking on af.com. However, no nonstop flight availability shows up for any date, even though Delta sees the award availability. I've tried single date and "around this date", but no nonstop availability no matter what.
Mar 19, 2019, 5:46 am
#1070
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: AMS
Programs: FB Platinum, Hilton Gold, Hotels.com Silver,
Posts: 54
Can someone tell me if all those fares earn XP on Aeroflot if the flight is not listed as not eligible?:
- ECONOMY SAVER - NVUA, NVUA
- ECONOMY CLASSIC - NCLA, NCLA
- ECONOMY FLEX - NFMA, NFMA
Mar 21, 2019, 10:32 am
#1071
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Programs: TK Elite Plus,BAEC GGL,ITA Executive, AFKL Gold,QR Gold,HH Diamond,Bonvoy Gold,ALL Gold
Posts: 14,186
Does Flying Blue give XP relevant for Business Class or First Class on Delta Domestic, Transborder and Caribbean First Class which there is no product marketed as Business Class.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Mar 21, 2019, 10:39 am
#1072
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,598
Business Class. Delta may call it First Class in North America but it is Business Class for credit purposes. Delta domestic US flights will earn 6XP one way regardless of length, Canada 15XP and most if not all of the Caribbean 15XP.
Apr 7, 2019, 12:25 pm
#1075
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: AA LT PLT 3 MM+, BA (very) Blue, CO nobody
Posts: 2,640
When does FB first release its award availability? Is it T -358? What time?
For example, with CX I know that it is T-352 at midnight HKG time or currently 9 AM PDT. Is there such a specific time/date for FB?
TIA
For example, with CX I know that it is T-352 at midnight HKG time or currently 9 AM PDT. Is there such a specific time/date for FB?
TIA
Apr 7, 2019, 7:25 pm
#1076
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,918
All seats for sale are now available for awards for FB members. So I would say that awards are released when the seats are put on sale.
Apr 8, 2019, 9:19 am
#1078
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,918
Apr 8, 2019, 9:32 pm
#1079
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: AA LT PLT 3 MM+, BA (very) Blue, CO nobody
Posts: 2,640
I am surprised that nobody here has the answer to what I believe must be a simple question for anyone who is a frequent flyer or elite with FB.
Over the years I had all my miles with AA and used them often with OW alliance partners. Most of these airlines release only a finite and very limited number of F or J awards - usually only 2 per flight. Thus it became very important to log in exactly when the airlines release their awards. I know the exact date and time to the minute when CX, JL and others release their awards. These are usually released by computer. By logging in at that exact time when they are released I could grab the only 2 F awards on JL, for example. Had I tried to do this a couple of hours later, chances are that those 2 F wards would belong to someone else. Ditto for CX, etc.
As I am trying to get AF/KLM awards on a Friday when they tend to go for higher mileage, I am trying to find out when exactly they are released so that I can get them at the lowest level before they go higher.
Does this make sense to anyone here or does FB operate under different rules?
Over the years I had all my miles with AA and used them often with OW alliance partners. Most of these airlines release only a finite and very limited number of F or J awards - usually only 2 per flight. Thus it became very important to log in exactly when the airlines release their awards. I know the exact date and time to the minute when CX, JL and others release their awards. These are usually released by computer. By logging in at that exact time when they are released I could grab the only 2 F awards on JL, for example. Had I tried to do this a couple of hours later, chances are that those 2 F wards would belong to someone else. Ditto for CX, etc.
As I am trying to get AF/KLM awards on a Friday when they tend to go for higher mileage, I am trying to find out when exactly they are released so that I can get them at the lowest level before they go higher.
Does this make sense to anyone here or does FB operate under different rules?
Last edited by Paulchili; Apr 8, 2019 at 11:49 pm
Apr 9, 2019, 1:38 am
#1080
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: CPT,AMS
Posts: 4,412
I am surprised that nobody here has the answer to what I believe must be a simple question for anyone who is a frequent flyer or elite with FB.
Over the years I had all my miles with AA and used them often with OW alliance partners. Most of these airlines release only a finite and very limited number of F or J awards - usually only 2 per flight. Thus it became very important to log in exactly when the airlines release their awards. I know the exact date and time to the minute when CX, JL and others release their awards. These are usually released by computer. By logging in at that exact time when they are released I could grab the only 2 F awards on JL, for example. Had I tried to do this a couple of hours later, chances are that those 2 F wards would belong to someone else. Ditto for CX, etc.
As I am trying to get AF/KLM awards on a Friday when they tend to go for higher mileage, I am trying to find out when exactly they are released so that I can get them at the lowest level before they go higher.
Does this make sense to anyone here or does FB operate under different rules?
Over the years I had all my miles with AA and used them often with OW alliance partners. Most of these airlines release only a finite and very limited number of F or J awards - usually only 2 per flight. Thus it became very important to log in exactly when the airlines release their awards. I know the exact date and time to the minute when CX, JL and others release their awards. These are usually released by computer. By logging in at that exact time when they are released I could grab the only 2 F awards on JL, for example. Had I tried to do this a couple of hours later, chances are that those 2 F wards would belong to someone else. Ditto for CX, etc.
As I am trying to get AF/KLM awards on a Friday when they tend to go for higher mileage, I am trying to find out when exactly they are released so that I can get them at the lowest level before they go higher.
Does this make sense to anyone here or does FB operate under different rules?
As @Goldorak mentioned, AF/KL doesn't have "limited number" of seats anymore, and with dynamic pricing it's hard to say anything about costs.