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What happens if I miss an AF flight due to incoming [AC] flight being late?

Old Sep 4, 2022, 2:38 pm
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What happens if I miss an AF flight due to incoming [AC] flight being late?

I am flying Toronto to Paris CDG via Air Canada and then flying on to Bordeaux via AF. What happens to my AF ticket from Paris-Bordeaux if my AC flight into Paris is delayed so that I miss the second flight? Note that this are on separate tickets with each airline.

The flight that I am taking from Toronto to CDG is AC872 which is delayed very often. I will have about 3:30 to make my connection at CDG. It looks like AC uses terminal 2A and Air France uses 2F. Any idea how long it takes to get between those terminals? And do I have to redo security? Presumably I have to do passport control, but on past trips to France (pre-Covid) coming though CDG they barely looked at my passport.
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Old Sep 4, 2022, 3:40 pm
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If you miss your flight it's your problem and you can pay to change your ticket since it's on separate PNRs.
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Old Sep 4, 2022, 3:47 pm
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Thanks. Is there any way to get the PNRs (what is that by the way) merged?
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Old Sep 4, 2022, 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by wayner92
Thanks. Is there any way to get the PNRs (what is that by the way) merged?
NO.

I don't know what immigration lines are like in 2A, but 2A and 2F are in the same big building. (BTW, AF uses additional "terminals" beyond 2F at CDG.) You do need to go through airport security, but IME security lines are fine at CDG; it's the exit passport control lines when leaving the Schengen zone (roughly, "Europe" or the EU) at CDG that can be bad. Note that I'm answering from the perspective of someone using 2E and 2F at CDG with a USA passport.
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Old Sep 4, 2022, 3:58 pm
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PNR - passenger name record. The 6 character reference. But the e-ticket number is what is important
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_name_record
PNR's cannot be merged

Why did you not buy as 1 PNR/ticket? With separate tickets that a risk you choose to take.
You do not have a "connection". Just 1 flight ending at an airport and another departing from the same airport.
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Old Sep 4, 2022, 4:23 pm
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As other said, you will have to pay for a new ticket or if flexible any change fee and fare adjustment.You can't link the 2 PNR. With 3.5 hrs between the 2 flights, I believe you're fine. It's hard to know how long it will take you to clear immigration in 2A. Once you did that and collected your bags (if any), it will take you 10 to 15 min to walk to 2F. You will clear security in 2F
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Old Sep 5, 2022, 6:35 am
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Originally Posted by wayner92
Thanks. Is there any way to get the PNRs (what is that by the way) merged?
No. You decided to enter separate contracts with separate companies (though even if both tickets were bought with AF, itineraries cannot be "merged" after purchase in a way that would absolve you of the responsibility of bearing the cost of a misconnection). You cannot now "merge" those tickets or contracts.

If you miss your AF flight - even if it is Air Canada's "fault" - because you chose to buy these tickets separately in this manner, you absolve both airlines of any culpability in trying to "repair" the journey. If you are late for your AF flight, you will lose that flight, and any further sectors on that Air France ticket will also be cancelled. If you wish to travel with AF on to Bordeaux, you will have to pay for a new ticket.
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Old Sep 6, 2022, 6:59 am
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I assume that you are booked on AF7624 departing at 12:20 while AC872 is scheduled at 8:45.

It can take a long time to "enter" France, as immigration lines can be long in the morning. Then you have to walk from 2A to 2F (a log walk), then pass security again.
If you AC872 is delayed by over 2.5 hours, as it was in the past two days, it will be difficult to make the connection.

The good news is that there are many AF flight, the next one at 13:45.
The bad news is that you will lose your AF ticket if you are a noshow. Maybe try to get on the AF App when you land and change your ticket for the next available flight online. Or do it at YYZ if your flight shows a very long delay.

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Old Sep 6, 2022, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by brunos
If you AC872 is delayed by over 23.5 hours, as it was in the past two days, it will be difficult to make the connection.
Impossible some might even say.
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Old Sep 6, 2022, 9:18 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
NO.

I don't know what immigration lines are like in 2A, but 2A and 2F are in the same big building. (BTW, AF uses additional "terminals" beyond 2F at CDG.) You do need to go through airport security, but IME security lines are fine at CDG; it's the exit passport control lines when leaving the Schengen zone (roughly, "Europe" or the EU) at CDG that can be bad. Note that I'm answering from the perspective of someone using 2E and 2F at CDG with a USA passport.
I passed through 2A immigration last week around 7:30 AM. Using No 1 access it took less than 5 minutes. I didnt see any lines at the PARAEF gates but the normal immigration line was backed up.
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Old Sep 6, 2022, 2:55 pm
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I have done the same recently AC to AF on separate tickets. (YUL-CDG-CPH)
1. You will pass through security in 2A follow the signs to connecting flights. Show your onwards boarding pass at the No 1. Access (they will let you through).
2. Proceed to the shuttle bus leaving from T2A for T2F.

When I did it, it took less then an hour, from leaving the AC aircraft until arriving at T2F.

Edit: changed immigration for security

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Old Sep 6, 2022, 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Stil
2. Proceed to the shuttle bus leaving from T2A for T2F.
This is valid only if no checked luggage to collect and already checked in for the next flight. This bus is for airside connection only.
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Old Sep 6, 2022, 3:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
This is valid only if no checked luggage to collect and already checked in for the next flight. This bus is for airside connection only.
My mistake I meant security not immigration. I didn't pass immigration only security. I stayed airside all the way from T2A to T2F. I didn't have any boarding pass for my onwards AF flight, but it was OK with just the ticket in the AF app. I got my boarding pass in the AF lounge.
I was travelling light though. As you rightly point out, no chance if checked luggage.

Added: If wayner92 doesn't have an onwards boarding pass it could be a chance, but it worked for me.

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Old Sep 8, 2022, 2:13 pm
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If you have checkin luggage you need to check if there is an interline agreement so your bags can be sent to your next flight. If not, you have to exit collect and to drop off your luggage.
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Old Sep 9, 2022, 12:32 pm
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Originally Posted by R_za
If you have checkin luggage you need to check if there is an interline agreement so your bags can be sent to your next flight. If not, you have to exit collect and to drop off your luggage.
An interline agreement allows two airlines to sell flights on their respective airlines on a single ticket and to correspondingly allow luggage to be checked all the way through.

We know the OP doesn't have a single ticket, so the fact that there is an interline agreement between AF and AC is of no relevance because the OP didn't buy an interlined ticket.

It is all but guaranteed that AC will refuse to check this passenger's bags onto AF
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