NickB

Well, if you do not report the death and use the miles in the family leader account for a redemption, that would be a fraudulent use of miles, opening, at least theoretically, the possibility of a civil action by Flying Blue and, in some jurisdiction, criminal prosecution for fraud. Whether this would be likely to happen is a different question but it is no different from using the account of a deceased member by logging in with their credentials since, there too, there is a disincentive to reporting the death as miles are immediately cancelled upon death.

Incidentally, the way I read it, miles earned by family members do not automatically get transferred to the family leader: the family leader sees them and can use them but, until he or she explicitly transfers them, they remain in the member's account.

CyBeR

Indeed with the conditions as written one must take care to not die between transferring miles and spending them.

mfkne

My daughter is 3 years old, I don't think she knows what a password is yet ;-)
As for my parents, I set up the accounts for them including the passwords, so technically they haven't shared them with me ;-)

arjen05

I also noticed that upgrades with miles now allow only one class upgrade per person. Not sure if that has been the case for AF, but for KL it means that with the new premium economy being introduced, one cannot upgrade from economy to business anymore in miles.

irishguy28

I would instead say: you should not transfer the miles until it is time to make an award redemption that requires such a transfer.

Just like I advise people not to buy miles on spec ("but there's a 50%/75%/100% *bonus* on mileage purchases!"), or to transfer credit card points over to FB ("but there's a transfer bonus in operation!"), there is no good reason to consolidate mileage in any manner, unless it is for the purposes of bringing your existing total up to a threshold where you need it to make an immediate redemption!!!

arjen05

Also, besides the mentioned "under 18 years old" another restriction for kids in a family account is that they are 2 years or older.

NickB

Another problematic aspect of clause 2.10 is in the first sentence, which specifies only one FFP programme per booking including for perks, i.e. precluding the use of one programme for miles accumulation and another programme for elite recognition (access to lounge, baggage entitlement, etc...).
The one FFP per booking is particularly drastic, as you could not use one FFP on the way out and another FFP on the return, for instance. On a literal reading of clause 2.10. this seems to apply even if you have a ticket with flights in different alliances. Whether they actually enforce that remains to be seen. If you book via an experienced TA who knows what they are doing, the TA should be able to allocate different segments to different FFPs so, as long as the crediting happens correctly automatically, one should still in any even be OK. Besides, you would not be requiring an un-posting from FB in this situation so that should not be a problem in practice.

mfkne

2 years has been the minimum age for joining FB anyway.

irishguy28

Yes, the wording here is now clearer - previously it said that a "double upgrade" from Economy to First was not allowed - but the old definition of "Reward Upgrade" at the start of the April 2018 T&Cs already limited an upgrade to the next class of service up:

f0zzyNUE

I just came across this new navigation item on the left navigation of my Flying Blue Profile page: "Flying Blue Family"

irishguy28

Under discussion here: I already asked the mods to update the title to the only interesting change

New T&C for Flying Blue

beachmouse

So as a Delta Platinum Medallion, if I’m flying on a FB award ticket, I won’t get Sky Team Elite+ benefits on the route now? That’s not cool and sound contrary to the nature of alliance elite recognition.

mfkne

I suppose you can still claim your perks by showing your card?

irishguy28

No; that same verbiage already existed in the previous Flying Blue T&Cs and Skymiles status holders holding a Flying Blue award booking could of course gain obtain lounge access, etc, upon showing proof of their Skyteam Elite Plus status. As you correctly point out, the obligation of alliance recognition trumps this (which really only should be read in the context of selecting one programme in which to earn miles).

The relevant part of the T&Cs should be understood as applying only to the question of mileage earning on revenue tickets and now formally prevents mixing/matching of earning into more than one programme on one ticket, which previously was a bit of a grey area, but now is explicitly ruled out.

Info79

​​​​​​Can you transfer XPs or only miles?