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Flying Blue Gold status is only viewed as Skyteam Elite if live in the US?

Old Dec 12, 20, 8:03 pm
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Unhappy Flying Blue Gold status is only viewed as Skyteam Elite if live in the US?

Hi, I thought AF Gold is entitled to be the Elite Plus on Skyteam, however, i have read an article from https://pointstobemade.com/why-and-h...tatus-quickly/
it says
Be warned that the Flying Blue Gold status is only viewed as Skyteam Elite (not Elite Plus) if you live in USA or Mexico.

Is it true?
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Old Dec 12, 20, 8:57 pm
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Looked here? https://www.skyteam.com/en/frequent-...tierLevel=Gold
Or the AF web site?

Bloggers do not determine ST policy
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Old Dec 12, 20, 9:10 pm
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Originally Posted by ericmc View Post
Is it true?
No. How you earn the status is irrelevant on the level. FB Gold, even gifted (if available), is still ST Elite+.
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Old Dec 13, 20, 1:00 am
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Actually, this used to be true many many years ago...

This was done at the request of Delta Air Lines, because SkyMiles Gold Elite at the time had roughly the same threshold as Flying Blue Gold, but Delta didn't grant the ST Elite+ tier.

In order to avoid any arbitrage between DL SM and AF-KL FB programs for U.S. and Mexico based members, it was decided that FB Gold Elite members in the U.S. and Mexico would only be ST Elite.

Strangely enough, Canada was excluded, so I basically used the address of a friend in Montréal to be my residential address to make sure I would be ST Elite+. A little bit complicated because my froeld would have to forward to me all the FB mail (member card, luggage tags etc...) and I would need to remember the address every time I was calling FB North America, because back then, they asked for your address to check your identity.

Interesting fact is that on the older FB cards, you would have "SkyTeam Elite" pre-printed/pre-made for Silver cards and "SkyTeam Elite Plus" pre-printed/pre-made for Platinum cards, both under the SkyTeam logo in the top right corner, but for the Gold card, you could see clearly that the mention was engraved at the same time as the name and number are printed for the member, allowing to either print STE or STE+ depending on the residence.

A couple of years later, Delta modified their program so that SkyMiles Gold are now recognized as SkyTeam Elite Plus. Since then, there was no longer a reason to differentiate U.S./Mexico FB residents, and that caveat finally was lifted.

I happily switched to my real U.S. address at that point (I became Platinum and kept the status consistently so it wouldn't be an issue any longer anyway).

The blog's info is outdated but they were technically right... a couple of years ago!

Cheers,
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Old Dec 13, 20, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by vinnyc View Post
Actually, this used to be true many many years ago...

This was done at the request of Delta Air Lines, because SkyMiles Gold Elite at the time had roughly the same threshold as Flying Blue Gold, but Delta didn't grant the ST Elite+ tier.

In order to avoid any arbitrage between DL SM and AF-KL FB programs for U.S. and Mexico based members, it was decided that FB Gold Elite members in the U.S. and Mexico would only be ST Elite.

Strangely enough, Canada was excluded, so I basically used the address of a friend in Montréal to be my residential address to make sure I would be ST Elite+. A little bit complicated because my froeld would have to forward to me all the FB mail (member card, luggage tags etc...) and I would need to remember the address every time I was calling FB North America, because back then, they asked for your address to check your identity.

Interesting fact is that on the older FB cards, you would have "SkyTeam Elite" pre-printed/pre-made for Silver cards and "SkyTeam Elite Plus" pre-printed/pre-made for Platinum cards, both under the SkyTeam logo in the top right corner, but for the Gold card, you could see clearly that the mention was engraved at the same time as the name and number are printed for the member, allowing to either print STE or STE+ depending on the residence.

A couple of years later, Delta modified their program so that SkyMiles Gold are now recognized as SkyTeam Elite Plus. Since then, there was no longer a reason to differentiate U.S./Mexico FB residents, and that caveat finally was lifted.

I happily switched to my real U.S. address at that point (I became Platinum and kept the status consistently so it wouldn't be an issue any longer anyway).

The blog's info is outdated but they were technically right... a couple of years ago!

Cheers,
Vinnyc
Thanks for the history lesson!
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Old Dec 14, 20, 2:33 am
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Not any alignment problem anymore, but a major one remains: whatever your FB status, for upgrades you will be ranked after the lower end SkyMiles level. In other word, FB Platinium is lower than SkyMiles Silver for upgrades....
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Old Dec 14, 20, 2:45 am
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Originally Posted by thierryd92 View Post
Not any alignment problem anymore, but a major one remains: whatever your FB status, for upgrades you will be ranked after the lower end SkyMiles level. In other word, FB Platinium is lower than SkyMiles Silver for upgrades....
For real? Why?
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Old Dec 14, 20, 3:33 am
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Originally Posted by ericmc View Post
Is it true?
It was at the time of writing. But that article is well out of date. Probably by at least 10 years.
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Old Dec 14, 20, 6:57 am
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No problems with FB Gold and Elite Plus in the US.

However, for some reasons, there is always a problem with Aeromexico in this regard. I think it's just due to their poor IT system.
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