Feb 13, 20, 2:45 am
Last edit by: Gajan
Hi All,
Further to the earlier recalled news regarding the Air France, KLM and Virgin Atlantic partnership, please find below information regarding the partnership.
As a Flying Blue member, it is now possible to:
- earn miles;
- earn XP on eligible flights (provided flights are booked in a mileage earning fare class);
- earn Elite bonus miles;
- spend miles
- extent overall validity of miles.
Earn miles
Earning miles and XP's is possible for VS or DL marketed flights and operated by AF/KL/VS/DL based on the fare class and distance flown according to the following scheme:
- Business class: J, C (200%); D (175%); I (150%); Z (100%);
- Premium economy: W, S (125%); H (100%); K (75%);
- Economy Delight: V (100%;
- Economy Classic Y, B (100%); R, L (75%); U, M, E (50%); Q, X, N, O (25%);
- Economy Light: T (20%).
Elite benefits
In addition, Flying Blue Silver members will receive the following benefits when flying VS:
- priority boarding;
- priority check-in / priority baggage drop-off.
In addition, Flying Blue Gold members will receive the following benefits when flying VS:
- priority boarding;
- priority check-in / priority baggage drop-off;
- priority baggage handling;
- additional baggage allowance (+ 1 bag);
- lounge access + 1 guest. Note: exceptions apply. At LHR, FB Gold members do not have access to the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse but are invited to the Qantas lounge. At JNB no lounge access is provided when flying Virgin Atlantic.
In addition, Flying Blue Platinum (Ultimate) and Club 2000 (Skipper) members will receive the following benefits when flying VS:
- priority boarding;
- priority check-in / priority baggage drop-off;
- priority baggage handling;
- additional baggage allowance (+ 1 bag);
- lounge access + 1 guest, except at JNB. FB Platinum members have access to the Virgin Clubhouse at LHR (and other locations). At JNB no lounge access is provided when flying Virgin Atlantic.
- priority security.
Final remarks
In case if you have any questions regarding the new partnership, please post your question. I will see if FB can answer the questions where possible.
Best regards,
Gajan
Further to the earlier recalled news regarding the Air France, KLM and Virgin Atlantic partnership, please find below information regarding the partnership.
As a Flying Blue member, it is now possible to:
- earn miles;
- earn XP on eligible flights (provided flights are booked in a mileage earning fare class);
- earn Elite bonus miles;
- spend miles
- extent overall validity of miles.
Earn miles
Earning miles and XP's is possible for VS or DL marketed flights and operated by AF/KL/VS/DL based on the fare class and distance flown according to the following scheme:
- Business class: J, C (200%); D (175%); I (150%); Z (100%);
- Premium economy: W, S (125%); H (100%); K (75%);
- Economy Delight: V (100%;
- Economy Classic Y, B (100%); R, L (75%); U, M, E (50%); Q, X, N, O (25%);
- Economy Light: T (20%).
Elite benefits
In addition, Flying Blue Silver members will receive the following benefits when flying VS:
- priority boarding;
- priority check-in / priority baggage drop-off.
In addition, Flying Blue Gold members will receive the following benefits when flying VS:
- priority boarding;
- priority check-in / priority baggage drop-off;
- priority baggage handling;
- additional baggage allowance (+ 1 bag);
- lounge access + 1 guest. Note: exceptions apply. At LHR, FB Gold members do not have access to the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse but are invited to the Qantas lounge. At JNB no lounge access is provided when flying Virgin Atlantic.
In addition, Flying Blue Platinum (Ultimate) and Club 2000 (Skipper) members will receive the following benefits when flying VS:
- priority boarding;
- priority check-in / priority baggage drop-off;
- priority baggage handling;
- additional baggage allowance (+ 1 bag);
- lounge access + 1 guest, except at JNB. FB Platinum members have access to the Virgin Clubhouse at LHR (and other locations). At JNB no lounge access is provided when flying Virgin Atlantic.
- priority security.
Final remarks
In case if you have any questions regarding the new partnership, please post your question. I will see if FB can answer the questions where possible.
Best regards,
Gajan
Virgin Atlantic, Air France and KLM launch codeshare partnership
Mar 4, 19, 10:08 am
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Virgin Atlantic, Air France and KLM launch codeshare partnership
Today it was announced that AFKL, DL & VS have a new code share agreement: https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/news...re-partnership
I believe very good developments in strengthening the Skyteam network in western Europe and UK in particular. Curious to see how soon FlyBe gets adopted into Virgin and if all those flights become available as well.
Looked at the KLM website and saw the VS flights are already bookable.
I believe very good developments in strengthening the Skyteam network in western Europe and UK in particular. Curious to see how soon FlyBe gets adopted into Virgin and if all those flights become available as well.
Looked at the KLM website and saw the VS flights are already bookable.
Mar 4, 19, 10:30 am
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But there is mention of earning miles. I'm sure the benefits will be there, especially lounge access for business class pax.
https://news.delta.com/virgin-atlant...re-partnership
Subject to final clearance from regulators, the airlines will be founding members of a $13 billion trans-Atlantic partnership for customers between the UK, Europe and North America, offering over 300 daily trans-Atlantic flights, 108 non-stop routes, and over 340 destinations.
The $13 Billion part means that someone, somewhere is already counting the money.
https://news.delta.com/virgin-atlant...re-partnership
Subject to final clearance from regulators, the airlines will be founding members of a $13 billion trans-Atlantic partnership for customers between the UK, Europe and North America, offering over 300 daily trans-Atlantic flights, 108 non-stop routes, and over 340 destinations.
The $13 Billion part means that someone, somewhere is already counting the money.
Mar 4, 19, 10:35 am
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But there is mention of earning miles. I'm sure the benefits will be there, especially lounge access for business class pax.
https://news.delta.com/virgin-atlant...re-partnership
Subject to final clearance from regulators, the airlines will be founding members of a $13 billion trans-Atlantic partnership for customers between the UK, Europe and North America, offering over 300 daily trans-Atlantic flights, 108 non-stop routes, and over 340 destinations.
The $13 Billion part means that someone, somewhere is already counting the money.
https://news.delta.com/virgin-atlant...re-partnership
Subject to final clearance from regulators, the airlines will be founding members of a $13 billion trans-Atlantic partnership for customers between the UK, Europe and North America, offering over 300 daily trans-Atlantic flights, 108 non-stop routes, and over 340 destinations.
The $13 Billion part means that someone, somewhere is already counting the money.
And indeed, the business case should be clear to the guys...
Mar 4, 19, 10:49 am
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Virgin Atlantic has interesting 1-1-1 J configuration, except your socks are facing the aisle. Therefore one of the aisles (especially the one where there is a seat facing it from both sides) is a nice sock fest
Mar 4, 19, 11:39 am
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All codeshares earn miles, regardless of operator.
The Flying Blue website won't be "updated" on the basis of this arrangement, which is merely codesharing. (e.g. you don't find Etihad, Qantas, etc listed on the Flying Blue partners page, because they are also mere codeshare partners)
(In due time, once the new JV is operational, then Virgin Atlantic should be announced as a new Flying Blue partner. Only at that stage will VS be mentioned on the Flying Blue website as a partner).
Mar 4, 19, 12:14 pm
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Don't forget - this is just a codesharing arrangement.
All codeshares earn miles, regardless of operator.
The Flying Blue website won't be "updated" on the basis of this arrangement, which is merely codesharing. (e.g. you don't find Etihad, Qantas, etc listed on the Flying Blue partners page, because they are also mere codeshare partners)
(In due time, once the new JV is operational, then Virgin Atlantic should be announced as a new Flying Blue partner. Only at that stage will VS be mentioned on the Flying Blue website as a partner).
All codeshares earn miles, regardless of operator.
The Flying Blue website won't be "updated" on the basis of this arrangement, which is merely codesharing. (e.g. you don't find Etihad, Qantas, etc listed on the Flying Blue partners page, because they are also mere codeshare partners)
(In due time, once the new JV is operational, then Virgin Atlantic should be announced as a new Flying Blue partner. Only at that stage will VS be mentioned on the Flying Blue website as a partner).
Good point. Thanks!
Hopefully, the JV announcement isn't too far now.
Mar 4, 19, 3:55 pm
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Don't forget - this is just a codesharing arrangement.
All codeshares earn miles, regardless of operator.
The Flying Blue website won't be "updated" on the basis of this arrangement, which is merely codesharing. (e.g. you don't find Etihad, Qantas, etc listed on the Flying Blue partners page, because they are also mere codeshare partners)
(In due time, once the new JV is operational, then Virgin Atlantic should be announced as a new Flying Blue partner. Only at that stage will VS be mentioned on the Flying Blue website as a partner).
All codeshares earn miles, regardless of operator.
The Flying Blue website won't be "updated" on the basis of this arrangement, which is merely codesharing. (e.g. you don't find Etihad, Qantas, etc listed on the Flying Blue partners page, because they are also mere codeshare partners)
(In due time, once the new JV is operational, then Virgin Atlantic should be announced as a new Flying Blue partner. Only at that stage will VS be mentioned on the Flying Blue website as a partner).
Mar 4, 19, 11:40 pm
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Mar 5, 19, 2:24 am
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European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Mergers: Commission approves acquisition of joint control over Virgin Atlantic by Air-France-KLM, Delta and Virgin Group
Mar 5, 19, 2:27 am
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I'm not sure if BA made any submissions regarding the proposed venture, but it has already been approved by the European Commission. All that's holding it up now is clearance in the US.
European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Mergers: Commission approves acquisition of joint control over Virgin Atlantic by Air-France-KLM, Delta and Virgin Group
European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Mergers: Commission approves acquisition of joint control over Virgin Atlantic by Air-France-KLM, Delta and Virgin Group
Mar 5, 19, 3:04 am
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I'm not sure if BA made any submissions regarding the proposed venture, but it has already been approved by the European Commission. All that's holding it up now is clearance in the US.
European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Mergers: Commission approves acquisition of joint control over Virgin Atlantic by Air-France-KLM, Delta and Virgin Group
European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Mergers: Commission approves acquisition of joint control over Virgin Atlantic by Air-France-KLM, Delta and Virgin Group
It does mention that AFKL, DL and VS intend to combine and expand their existing JV. I don't know if any new JV requires the approval of the EU. But if it does, the current approval text suggests that the EU would have no objections.
Mar 5, 19, 3:32 am
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I think that this is approval of AFKL taking a 31% stake in Virgin Atlantic, resulting in a joint-control by AFKL, DL and Sir Branson.
It does mention that AFKL, DL and VS intend to combine and expand their existing JV. I don't know if any new JV requires the approval of the EU. But if it does, the current approval text suggests that the EU would have no objections.
It does mention that AFKL, DL and VS intend to combine and expand their existing JV. I don't know if any new JV requires the approval of the EU. But if it does, the current approval text suggests that the EU would have no objections.
(Here's the announcement of the EC approval for the DL/AF/KL/AZ JV: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-4966_en.htm )
But you raise an interesting point. I had assumed that they hd sought approval for all aspects of the merger and JV - but the press release merely says that:
Originally Posted by [url=http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-1054_en.htm]EC
Today's decision approves the acquisition of joint control by Air France-KLM, Delta Air Lines Inc. and Virgin Group over Virgin Atlantic Limited by way of purchase of shares. At the same time, Air France-KLM, Delta and Virgin Group intend to enhance the scope of their existing cooperation in the provision of air transport services for passengers and cargo by combining and expanding two pre-existing metal neutral joint venture arrangements between Delta and Air France-KLM, and between Delta and Virgin Atlantic. These are cooperative arrangements in which they jointly plan and manage capacity, pricing, and inter-airline financial settlements, with all participating airlines sharing profits equally.
(The full decision has not yet been published so it is difficult to say - but approval seems all but certain anyway)
