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dparkinson Jan 25, 2019 10:20 pm

Award Booking on China Southern
 
Has anyone been able to book awards on CZ after they left sky team?
Also, are tickets ex-China part of the ticket in person rule?

carnarvon Jan 27, 2019 12:34 am


Originally Posted by dparkinson (Post 30702030)
the ticket in person rule?

What rule is that?

KL803 Jan 30, 2019 2:26 am


Originally Posted by dparkinson (Post 30702030)
Has anyone been able to book awards on CZ after they left sky team?
Also, are tickets ex-China part of the ticket in person rule?

To your first question: yes, no problem, done it just three weeks ago.
To your second question: if you mean, you can book a ticket with your miles for someone else: yes, no problem. Otherwise I don't understand that question.

eethan Jun 12, 2019 1:24 pm

I just booked a CZ award and could only get an AF confirmation code and ticket #.

Neither works on CZ's website. How can I access my booking on CZ's site?

Somnifer Jun 13, 2019 9:17 pm


Originally Posted by eethan (Post 31196148)
I just booked a CZ award and could only get an AF confirmation code and ticket #.

Neither works on CZ's website. How can I access my booking on CZ's site?

CZ's website is awful. Also, they often (always?) use their own separate PNR (VFNR or whatever they call it). You can get it here if you have your ticket number.

hearingdouble Jun 14, 2019 6:36 am


Originally Posted by Somnifer (Post 31201137)
CZ's website is awful. Also, they often (always?) use their own separate PNR (VFNR or whatever they call it). You can get it here if you have your ticket number.

I am having exactly the same issue with an award booking on MU. I have the Flying Blue confirmation code and a ticket number, but no way to access the booking on China Eastern's website (it's a domestic flight within the PRC). Any advice?

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Edit: I should add that the ticket number visible on the Flying Blue website (13 digits starting with 074...) is not compatible with the e-ticket verification system on the MU website.

FBplatinum Jun 14, 2019 1:35 pm

Use : www travelsky.com /tsky/

I have put space (or it did not work)

Translate with google translate,
Sometime ticket 006, 074 will work, sometime not....

Somnifer Jun 14, 2019 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by hearingdouble (Post 31202058)
I am having exactly the same issue with an award booking on MU. I have the Flying Blue confirmation code and a ticket number, but no way to access the booking on China Eastern's website (it's a domestic flight within the PRC). Any advice?

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Edit: I should add that the ticket number visible on the Flying Blue website (13 digits starting with 074...) is not compatible with the e-ticket verification system on the MU website.

MU's website is even worse. I rarely get it to work properly (their app is not even worth a mention). The best bet in my experience is to call them. And definitely talk to their English-speaking agents. They might be hard to understand sometimes, but they get things done, unlike their Chinese-only colleagues who take forever.

Somnifer Jun 14, 2019 6:47 pm


Originally Posted by FBplatinum (Post 31203367)
Use : www travelsky.com /tsky/

I have put space (or it did not work)

Translate with google translate,
Sometime ticket 006, 074 will work, sometime not....

Have you actually got this to work consistently? I think my success ratio hovers around 10%.

eethan Jun 14, 2019 8:59 pm

The last 4 posts are about MU, not CZ.

eethan Jun 14, 2019 9:01 pm


Originally Posted by Somnifer (Post 31201137)
CZ's website is awful. Also, they often (always?) use their own separate PNR (VFNR or whatever they call it). You can get it here if you have your ticket number.

I believe the website you linked to takes only CZ ticket #s . The ticket # AF gave me is different - I believe it's an AF ticket #.
AF agent was able to get me a different confirmation code (6 digits, alphanumeric), but he could only provide one ticket #.

So no one knows how to check CZ award bookings, except maybe to call CZ directly?

FBplatinum Jun 14, 2019 11:28 pm


Originally Posted by Somnifer (Post 31204041)
Have you actually got this to work consistently? I think my success ratio hovers around 10%.

My ratio is about 50%

One "tricky" thing with award ticket with CZ or MU, is you must have your passport # (or an ID) put in the reservation.
If it is not there, it screew up (even sometime it is a nightmare at airport with MU (less with CZ)).
The ONLY way to be sure it is there, is to CALL

sbams Jun 15, 2019 2:32 am


Originally Posted by eethan (Post 31204279)
I believe the website you linked to takes only CZ ticket #s . The ticket # AF gave me is different - I believe it's an AF ticket #.
AF agent was able to get me a different confirmation code (6 digits, alphanumeric), but he could only provide one ticket #.

So no one knows how to check CZ award bookings, except maybe to call CZ directly?

There should only ever be one ticket number. 15 numeric digits of which the first 3 indicate which airline has issued it. There can be more than one PNR, booking reference, 6 alphanumeric, which
various airlines use to refer to the booking in their systems

hearingdouble Jun 15, 2019 7:42 am


Originally Posted by Somnifer (Post 31204033)
MU's website is even worse. I rarely get it to work properly (their app is not even worth a mention). The best bet in my experience is to call them. And definitely talk to their English-speaking agents. They might be hard to understand sometimes, but they get things done, unlike their Chinese-only colleagues who take forever.

Thanks, I will try that (and the Chinese-speaking line was never an option for me...). Travelsky didn't work.


Originally Posted by FBplatinum (Post 31204499)
One "tricky" thing with award ticket with CZ or MU, is you must have your passport # (or an ID) put in the reservation.
If it is not there, it screew up (even sometime it is a nightmare at airport with MU (less with CZ)).
The ONLY way to be sure it is there, is to CALL

Thanks for the heads-up. In your experience, is it sufficient to fill in the API form on the KLM/AF website? Or do you also need to provide the information to the airline directly?

FBplatinum Jun 15, 2019 6:56 pm

Even you fill up everything .
The problem is the AF/KL/DL system did not update "correctly" the Chinese airline system.

I have some bad experience with some award ticket.
I suggest you call the airline to be sure your ID (can be your passeport) is there. Most of the time, it is not there.

Have your ID add BEFORE you go to airport (or if you like to run between the Chinese airline and the AF/KL/DL desk (and if is no help desk because it is a small airport.... ---> nightmare !!!)).

The Chinese airline will not issue ANY boarding pass before the airline who give you the award ticket have put your ID.

hearingdouble Jun 16, 2019 2:48 am


Originally Posted by FBplatinum (Post 31206721)
Even you fill up everything .
The problem is the AF/KL/DL system did not update "correctly" the Chinese airline system.

I have some bad experience with some award ticket.
I suggest you call the airline to be sure your ID (can be your passeport) is there. Most of the time, it is not there.

Have your ID add BEFORE you go to airport (or if you like to run between the Chinese airline and the AF/KL/DL desk (and if is no help desk because it is a small airport.... ---> nightmare !!!)).

The Chinese airline will not issue ANY boarding pass before the airline who give you the award ticket have put your ID.

Thank you so much for the warning. It’s a domestic flight from HGH airport, so there would be no AF/KL/DL desk to run to if things don’t work out.

Sounds like the safest thing to do is call them to check that the ID has made it across, and to try and get a useable PNR.

Somnifer Jun 16, 2019 10:16 pm

Can you update us on how it goes?

NickB Jun 17, 2019 7:14 am


Originally Posted by hearingdouble (Post 31207434)


Thank you so much for the warning. It’s a domestic flight from HGH airport, so there would be no AF/KL/DL desk to run to if things don’t work out.

KL do fly to HGH, albeit not daily.

hearingdouble Jun 19, 2019 6:23 am


Originally Posted by Somnifer (Post 31209909)
Can you update us on how it goes?

Of course! I have just input all of the Advance Passenger Information into the KLM/AF website. I'll give it a week to flow through the system before I try to call MU and work out whether they've received it or not. Hopefully I can get a carrier PNR at the same time. The flight itself is not until August.

s1362083 Jul 28, 2019 11:27 am


Originally Posted by hearingdouble (Post 31218028)
Of course! I have just input all of the Advance Passenger Information into the KLM/AF website. I'll give it a week to flow through the system before I try to call MU and work out whether they've received it or not. Hopefully I can get a carrier PNR at the same time. The flight itself is not until August.

Any updates on this? I have the exact same issue for an upcoming flight from YUS and there is a high chance the check-in staff will have never heard of a Flying Blue, let alone have dealt with an AF plated redemption ticket, so I'm very glad I stumbled upon this thread!

hearingdouble Jul 29, 2019 6:20 am


Originally Posted by s1362083 (Post 31351429)
Any updates on this? I have the exact same issue for an upcoming flight from YUS and there is a high chance the check-in staff will have never heard of a Flying Blue, let alone have dealt with an AF plated redemption ticket, so I'm very glad I stumbled upon this thread!

Thanks for this message - it reminded me that I still hadn't called MU!

I just called their EU customer services line. The agent was able to locate my booking from my name and flight details. She confirmed that MU has received the advanced passenger information (including passport) from KLM. She also gave me a five-digit booking reference which I can't find a use for anywhere on the MU booking website (...!) but I am reassured that the reservation is in MU's system. I'll try calling again tomorrow to see if I can get the MU e-ticket number, I think that will be the most useful.

NickB Jul 30, 2019 1:29 am


Originally Posted by hearingdouble (Post 31354012)
I'll try calling again tomorrow to see if I can get the MU e-ticket number, I think that will be the most useful.

You can get the e-ticket number from the flying blue reservation details. E-ticket numbers are not like PNRs: you can have several PNR numbers for the same flight/reservation but there is only one valid e-ticket number (we will leave aside complications resulting from re-issues, etc...). Your e-ticket number will be an AF/KL e-ticket number, therefore starting with 057 or 074. There will be no "MU e-ticket number."

hearingdouble Jul 30, 2019 3:02 am


Originally Posted by NickB (Post 31357727)
You can get the e-ticket number from the flying blue reservation details. E-ticket numbers are not like PNRs: you can have several PNR numbers for the same flight/reservation but there is only one valid e-ticket number (we will leave aside complications resulting from re-issues, etc...). Your e-ticket number will be an AF/KL e-ticket number, therefore starting with 057 or 074. There will be no "MU e-ticket number."

Understood. I had wondered if there is another number, as my 074- fronted ticket number doesn't work on this webpage: https://uk.ceair.com/en/ticket-verification.html

hearingdouble Aug 19, 2019 12:00 pm

A further follow-up (in case anyone is interested) - I was able to allocate a seat assignment on my MU redemption through Flying Blue's customer assistance line in the UK.

Flight is next week so hopefully I will be able to confirm that everything ran smoothly!

s1362083 Aug 22, 2019 4:18 am


Originally Posted by hearingdouble (Post 31432856)
A further follow-up (in case anyone is interested) - I was able to allocate a seat assignment on my MU redemption through Flying Blue's customer assistance line in the UK.

Flight is next week so hopefully I will be able to confirm that everything ran smoothly!

I was able to book seat by called China Eastern London office. But they couldn't give me anything to allow me to manage booking on MU website myself. Its slightly worrying that I can see my booking if I'm logged into AF website but if I log out an search using PNR only, it cannot locate it. KLM website seems to recognise it fine. I'm sure its all good (famous last words?!)

My flight is in 2 days!

hearingdouble Sep 9, 2019 7:28 am

In case of interest: the seat selections processed through Flying Blue stuck. At Hangzhou, the MU check-in desk was able to locate our booking, although they didn’t know what Sky Team was or why we were allowed to use the Sky Priority check-in for an economy booking (!). Flight was otherwise uneventful (although I still never found out my MU PNR...)


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