Carry-over of XP
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Carry-over of XP
I'm currently FB Platinum. This year I have already reached 325 XP as of today which is above the threshold needed to maintain Platinum. I guess by the end of the year I will be somewhere in the range of 600-700 XP
What happens with the XP above the threshold? Will they simply be carried over into the next year? So, for example, assume I end 2018 with 700 XP. Will I then automatically start 2019 with 400 XP which is more than I need to maintain Platinum? Or is there a limit to the number of XP that can be carried over? Or will they simply be lost?
Thanks,
Michael
What happens with the XP above the threshold? Will they simply be carried over into the next year? So, for example, assume I end 2018 with 700 XP. Will I then automatically start 2019 with 400 XP which is more than I need to maintain Platinum? Or is there a limit to the number of XP that can be carried over? Or will they simply be lost?
Thanks,
Michael
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There's no limit to the carry over, although in practice any balance above 3000 (even 2700 really) would be pointless in terms of carry over since that's (currently) enough to give you 10 years Platinum -> Platinum for Life. They get deducted from your balance at the end of your membership year as you correctly say.
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[At least, that's what used to happen in the old scheme...]
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I think that only applies if you don't have sufficient XP to maintain your current level. But if e.g. you're Platinum with 200 XP do you keep those 200XP and soft-land to Gold, or do they take them all / 180XP?
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There's no limit to the carry over, although in practice any balance above 3000 (even 2700 really) would be pointless in terms of carry over since that's (currently) enough to give you 10 years Platinum -> Platinum for Life. They get deducted from your balance at the end of your membership year as you correctly say.
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But Ultimate is 1800 over 2 years, so even with a completely theoretical cap of 3000 you'd still achieve Ultimate. You can't bank extra XP for Ultimate can you? i.e. collect 3600 XP in one year then 1 XP for each of the following 3 years would still only give you 2 years of Ultimate AFAIK?
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Soft landing, in the past, was subject to at least one valid movement on the account IIRC. Presumably the same holds in the current system.
I don't think we have seen an outright mention one way or another.
This is unknown at this time, but presumably, 180XP would be taken.
This is unknown at this time, but presumably, 180XP would be taken.
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If you have, as per your example, 200XP in your account, you haven't "earned" Platinum and therefore drop to Gold. In the old scheme, you would have lost the entirety of your Level Miles balance - as mileage rollovers were only awarded when you maintained, or increased, level. In the new scheme, XP rollovers apply regardless of whether you are going up or down in status - so long as you exceed the relevant ("one below") threshold. So in your example, the Platinum with 200XP would become a Gold with (200-180 for Gold =) 20XP.
However, your example masks the fact that, for someone who had, say, been Platinum and earned only 175 XP - so just 5XP short of the Gold target - they actually only earned Silver, but instead BENEFIT from getting "soft landed" down to Gold. As a result of the soft-landing, they lose the entire XP balance (which is "fair" - they are still being given status that they didn't deserve based on their flying that year). Remember, the XP rollover only applies to those who exceed the relevant threshold. If you actually "soft land" down a level - as opposed to having actually earned it outright, as in your numerical example - you lose everything.
In my numerical example (Platinum/175XP) there may be people who would prefer to be given "Silver" and a rollover of (175-100 = 75XP) but that's not what happens; the softlanding mechanism intervenes, giving you Gold and 0XP. (But having Silver would mean you would need to earn 180 + 300 XP in a row to get back to Platinum, so soft-landing to Gold is better than starting with a rollover and lower status)
You also raised the possibilty of dropping from Platinum to Gold, and starting the new membership year with your 200XP balance intact. THIS IS A COMPLETE IMPOSSIBILITY! It is simply impossible, under any circumstances other than having a balance of 0, to start a new membership year with the exact same XP balance with which you finished the previous membership year.
- If you soft land, you start with 0XP. (Therefore, if you don't think you can maintain your status at all in any year, you have no incentive, as regards status, of recording more than one XP-earning flight in that membership year.)
- If you drop a level [meaning, as in your example, that you didn't hit your Platinum target of 300XP] but had exceeded that lower threshold anyway [which, in your example, was the case as 200XP exceeds the 180XP needed for Gold], you don't get a softlanding but earn the "one-below" status outright, and start the new year with a positive balance [In your example, of (200-180 = 20XP)]
- If you maintain your level, or increase your level, you start the new year with the balance over and above that threshold (so, if you get up to/stay at silver, you have 100XP deducted; if you get up to/stay at Gold, you have 180XP deducted; if you get up to/stay at Platinum, you have 300XP deducted) - which may mean starting with 0XP if you only just hit the target exactly.
Last edited by irishguy28; Jun 11, 2018 at 11:18 am Reason: Corrected thanks to Fabo.sk
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In my numerical example (Platinum/175XP) there may be people who would prefer to be given "Silver" and a rollover of (175-100 = 75XP) but that's not what happens; the softlanding mechanism intervenes, giving you Gold and 0XP. (But having Silver would mean you would need to earn 100 + 180 XP in a row to get back to Gold, so it is better than starting with a rollover and lower status)
You also raised the possibilty of dropping from Platinum to Gold, and starting the new membership year with your 200XP balance intact. THIS IS A COMPLETE IMPOSSIBILITY! It is simply impossible, under any circumstances other than having a balance of 0, to start a new membership year with the exact same XP balance with which you finished the previous membership year.
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If you're Platinum/Gold/Silver/Ivory with, say, 10XP - you get a soft landing (or stay ivory) and start with 0 in all cases.
If you're Platinum/Gold with, say, 185 XP, you go to/remain Gold and start with 5 XP.
(You always lose either everything, or the "threshold amount". There is no mechanism - except when you have nothing to start with - where you can survive a year change without losing any XPs. The benefit is shown in the table as "keep surplus XP". That means XPs have to, by definition, be subracted - otherwise there is no surplus (none of the status levels has a threshold for qualifcation of 0XP!! the one that does - Explorer - does not qualify for a rollover!!))
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You say:
Only Explorer members need to earn 100 + 180 XP to get to Gold.
Your quote only makes sense, if you meant to show how this hypothetical member under these hypothetical rules fell to Silver and wanted to get back to Platinum, in which case they would need to earn 180 + 300 XP, less any XP that would have been granted as Surplus (i.e. the 75XP in your 175XP example)
(You always lose either everything, or the "threshold amount". There is no mechanism - except when you have nothing to start with - where you can survive a year change without losing any XPs. The benefit is shown in the table as "keep surplus XP". That means XPs have to, by definition, be subracted - otherwise there is no surplus (none of the status levels has a threshold for qualifcation of 0XP!! the one that does - Explorer - does not qualify for a rollover!!))
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How have I gone off on a tangent?
You say:
But this is an actual impossibility. Under NO circumstances EVER does a Silver member need to earn 100 + 180 XP to get to Gold. As soon as a Silver member gains 180XP in a qualification period (up to 13 months), they become Gold.
You say:
But this is an actual impossibility. Under NO circumstances EVER does a Silver member need to earn 100 + 180 XP to get to Gold. As soon as a Silver member gains 180XP in a qualification period (up to 13 months), they become Gold.
"But having Silver would mean you would need to earn 180 + 300XP in a row to get back to Platinum, so soft-landing to Gold is better than starting with a rollover and lower status"
(The "hypothetical member" is starting from Platinum. I got my levels and therefore the corresponding thresholds mixed up, but thought that the logic would carry you through...)