Further changes: Origin and destination pricing as of June 2018
Jun 12, 2018, 8:41 pm
#166
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 453
. After further thinking though, I decided to keep my miles and book the ticket cash since I've found a great J fare for just $2k roundtrip (adding a leg to BSL). I guess that it's "just" $1k more than the taxes for the miles only ticket, and I get to keep 115k miles and make 5-6000 extra miles + XPs + 30000 Amex points . Not a terrible deal...
Jun 16, 2018, 2:47 am
#167
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: AMS
Programs: Hilton Diamond, FB Plat
Posts: 312
It seems that there's still not a "every ticket is bookable with miles" policy in place.
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...naar-las-vegas
7-11 January is a direct KLM flight to and from LAS, doesn't show up in the reward bookings.
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...naar-las-vegas
7-11 January is a direct KLM flight to and from LAS, doesn't show up in the reward bookings.
Jun 16, 2018, 3:39 am
#168
Join Date: Dec 2015
Programs: FB platinum
Posts: 377
Jun 16, 2018, 7:43 am
#170
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,036
Jun 19, 2018, 5:15 am
#171
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: France
Programs: FB Plat for Life, UAMP, BAEC, Accor ALL Platinum, Marriott silver, Hilton, Meliá silver.
Posts: 3,119
Miles refund
I saw the question asked but not the answer.
Plat line told me that all awards (except promo) are like classic before: refund with 45 Euro fee.
Manual issueing is 15.
Plat line told me that all awards (except promo) are like classic before: refund with 45 Euro fee.
Manual issueing is 15.
Jun 22, 2018, 10:55 am
#172
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: France
Programs: FB Plat for Life, UAMP, BAEC, Accor ALL Platinum, Marriott silver, Hilton, Meliá silver.
Posts: 3,119
What a pain to look for an award ticket
It used to be fun looking for award tickets. The costs were clear. The overview for the month would tell us if we had any chance of getting a ticket with AF/KL.
In a few clicks, we could check on a few destinations in the area we wanted to fly to.
If unlucky, we could check for the Skyteram airline flying to the destination area knowing in advance how much the ticket would cost if there was availability..
Good lord, those days are gone!
I was going to give up after seeing insane amounts of required miles for SEA destinations when I ended up having the luck of falling on the right combination of destination and date to BKK in July for 90,000 miles (in biz of course), and back from SGN in August for 103,500 while talking to the Plat line about the very bad connection at CDG. But what a pain....
This made me realise another flaw in the booking engine for award tickets.
"Multi-destination" option only allows to fly back to where you departed from (for example LYS/BKK//SGN/LYS), where with paid tickets one can fly back to another city (for example LYS/BKK//SGN/MRS).
In a few clicks, we could check on a few destinations in the area we wanted to fly to.
If unlucky, we could check for the Skyteram airline flying to the destination area knowing in advance how much the ticket would cost if there was availability..
Good lord, those days are gone!
I was going to give up after seeing insane amounts of required miles for SEA destinations when I ended up having the luck of falling on the right combination of destination and date to BKK in July for 90,000 miles (in biz of course), and back from SGN in August for 103,500 while talking to the Plat line about the very bad connection at CDG. But what a pain....
This made me realise another flaw in the booking engine for award tickets.
"Multi-destination" option only allows to fly back to where you departed from (for example LYS/BKK//SGN/LYS), where with paid tickets one can fly back to another city (for example LYS/BKK//SGN/MRS).
Last edited by carnarvon; Jun 22, 2018 at 11:04 am
Jun 25, 2018, 4:29 am
#173
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
Programs: KL Platinum; A3 Gold
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This made me realise another flaw in the booking engine for award tickets.
"Multi-destination" option only allows to fly back to where you departed from (for example LYS/BKK//SGN/LYS), where with paid tickets one can fly back to another city (for example LYS/BKK//SGN/MRS).
"Multi-destination" option only allows to fly back to where you departed from (for example LYS/BKK//SGN/LYS), where with paid tickets one can fly back to another city (for example LYS/BKK//SGN/MRS).
Jun 25, 2018, 4:43 am
#174
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: France
Programs: FB Plat for Life, UAMP, BAEC, Accor ALL Platinum, Marriott silver, Hilton, Meliá silver.
Posts: 3,119
I said this experience made me aware of the issue.
Regarding the meaning of multidestination, one could argue that the return leg has a different destination than the point of origin so the name would be correct as well.
This being said, the multidestination choice with paid tickets, allows a return to another airport than the one of origin. Same word but different modus operandi than in case of award tickets.
Why? Go figure...
Last edited by carnarvon; Jun 29, 2018 at 8:49 am
Jun 28, 2018, 11:45 pm
#175
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: AMS
Programs: KL PFL; BA Gold; A3 Silver; EY Silver; SU Silver
Posts: 2,488
I wanted to waste my miles to La Premiere (MOW-PAR-DXB) for 160K miles but the payment failed on the last date of the old scheme and I did not have time to follow up (I wanted to have a flex award which are now not available from what I understand). Now the price is weird 360K miles one way (was 160K)... On the other hand there are routes priced much better, so maybe as usual I shall look into this change as an opportunity
And as some mentioned its really stupid to see J awards more expensive than F on some days, hope they revise J pricing down rather than increase F cost,
And as some mentioned its really stupid to see J awards more expensive than F on some days, hope they revise J pricing down rather than increase F cost,
And i confirmed with FB that at least upgrade pricing remains fixed. However, I have this probably requires standard award booking classes.
Jun 29, 2018, 8:40 am
#176
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: CDG/AMS
Programs: FB Plat for life, FB PC, M&M FT, Hertz President (+ many low tier cards)
Posts: 2,777
Meanwhile, I am still seeing outrageous mileage rates (like, up to 6 times more expensive than before) without any correlation whatsoever with ticket prices. 
Jul 6, 2018, 6:10 pm
#178
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Anywhere warm
Posts: 33,743
I have never redeemed points for an Air France award. Is it as good as it gets to have to redeem 200K points for Premiere from FCO-CDG-LAX? I would like to fly AF first, but that is an eye watering amount of points.
If I take this plunge, should I go for an award on the A380 or the B777?
If I book the A380, it means a short connection at CDG and no ability to use the lounge. Am I missing anything?
If I book and I cancel at some point in the future, how much does it cost to redeposit my points?
If I take this plunge, should I go for an award on the A380 or the B777?
If I book the A380, it means a short connection at CDG and no ability to use the lounge. Am I missing anything?
If I book and I cancel at some point in the future, how much does it cost to redeposit my points?
Jul 7, 2018, 3:45 am
#179
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hong Kong, France
Programs: FB , BA Gold
Posts: 15,555
I have never redeemed points for an Air France award. Is it as good as it gets to have to redeem 200K points for Premiere from FCO-CDG-LAX? I would like to fly AF first, but that is an eye watering amount of points.
If I take this plunge, should I go for an award on the A380 or the B777?
If I book the A380, it means a short connection at CDG and no ability to use the lounge. Am I missing anything?
If I book and I cancel at some point in the future, how much does it cost to redeposit my points?
If I take this plunge, should I go for an award on the A380 or the B777?
If I book the A380, it means a short connection at CDG and no ability to use the lounge. Am I missing anything?
If I book and I cancel at some point in the future, how much does it cost to redeposit my points?
F seat on 77W is much better than on A380. Plus F lounge at CDG is really worth a couple of hours.
This might be a promotion from Italy so you have to check the conditions.
Jul 7, 2018, 4:03 am
#180
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Switzerland
Programs: AFKL Flying Blue Platinum Ultimate, Marriott Bonvoy Ambassador Elite
Posts: 369
I have never redeemed points for an Air France award. Is it as good as it gets to have to redeem 200K points for Premiere from FCO-CDG-LAX? I would like to fly AF first, but that is an eye watering amount of points.
If I take this plunge, should I go for an award on the A380 or the B777?
If I book the A380, it means a short connection at CDG and no ability to use the lounge. Am I missing anything?
If I book and I cancel at some point in the future, how much does it cost to redeposit my points?
If I take this plunge, should I go for an award on the A380 or the B777?
If I book the A380, it means a short connection at CDG and no ability to use the lounge. Am I missing anything?
If I book and I cancel at some point in the future, how much does it cost to redeposit my points?
Don't eat too much on the lunge (a lot of the experience of F is food on the flight) but try appetizers/desserts and all the champagne you can stand ;-)
Then remember to book a massage, it's also part of the experience.