Further changes: Origin and destination pricing as of June 2018
Mar 14, 2018, 4:14 am
#31
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Another oddity:
- CDG-MRU starts as 32,500 for Y, 54,000 for W, 82,500 for J and 240,000 for P
- ORY-RUN starts as 29,000 for Y, 54,000 for W, 67,500 for J and 240,000 for P
Also needless to say there is no P on these routes (actually it is a CIO aircraft).
Go figure....
- CDG-MRU starts as 32,500 for Y, 54,000 for W, 82,500 for J and 240,000 for P
- ORY-RUN starts as 29,000 for Y, 54,000 for W, 67,500 for J and 240,000 for P
Also needless to say there is no P on these routes (actually it is a CIO aircraft).
Go figure....
Last edited by bodory; Mar 14, 2018 at 4:34 am
Mar 14, 2018, 6:18 am
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In the coming months (likely in May) I should be able to check the impact of this new system on the Intra Asia reward flights.
U!
Mar 14, 2018, 6:24 am
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For P, indeed.
Mar 14, 2018, 6:53 am
#38
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True indeed (albeit not for W where the cheapest ORY-RUN is roughly 100 EUR higher than the cheapest CDG-MRU). And consistent with TNR which is even higher.
What puzzles me is the inconsistency between the new award prices from Europe to North America, where basically the shortest the cheapest and these other cases such as RUN/MRU.
Also that question the prices of the Europe bound flights. Not speaking about RUN/MRU specifically but in general prices for CDG-XXX are totally different than XXX-CDG because they are different markets. And that is not reflected in the new award prices.
To sum-up: FB has now a powerful tool to change award prices at any moment (well, that is the purpose of dynamic pricing after all).
It would be useful for us to build a tracker of these minimum prices and see whether they change.
What puzzles me is the inconsistency between the new award prices from Europe to North America, where basically the shortest the cheapest and these other cases such as RUN/MRU.
Also that question the prices of the Europe bound flights. Not speaking about RUN/MRU specifically but in general prices for CDG-XXX are totally different than XXX-CDG because they are different markets. And that is not reflected in the new award prices.
To sum-up: FB has now a powerful tool to change award prices at any moment (well, that is the purpose of dynamic pricing after all).
It would be useful for us to build a tracker of these minimum prices and see whether they change.
Last edited by bodory; Mar 14, 2018 at 7:30 am
Mar 15, 2018, 4:50 am
#41
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sill very weird.
Currently I cannot check any award pricing from NUE ...
Mar 15, 2018, 7:13 am
#42
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Classic (or minimum) awards are identical for X-CDg or CDG-X, but I guess from the blabla that dynamic pricing might be different. Who knows what will happen on one-ways.
And there might be a lot of trial and errors from AFKL but will not be easy for them to judge if their new pricing is "reasonable" or not. That is much easier to judge for their new upgrade pricing (like if it attracts a lot of pax or not).
Anyway, wait and see.So far their minimum awards are not fully unreasonable to me, even if there might be a few typos.
Mar 15, 2018, 5:20 pm
#43
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But yes, it is to be expected on revenue based redeption that hub tickets will end up more expensive.
On the other hand, hub fliers will "enjoy" higher earnings as well in a revenue based system, compared to the connecting members.
Mar 17, 2018, 9:40 am
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Mar 17, 2018, 10:47 am
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I'm surprised by some of the changes for short haul. Using ATH as an example.
From AMS the business miles have gone up by 4K (49K one way!). This makes business almost 5 (!!) times more expensive than Economy, which goes against what other alliances are doing.
With *A (eg A3) Economy is 15K within Europe, and business is 25K...less than double the Y price. Its VERY surprising that FB increases the already ridiculous 45K to 49K one-way. And those are 'starting from..' prices!
This even means that there is virtually no difference in miles between AMS-ATH and various long-haul destinations, like AMS-CUR; while the first is a 3h flight on a B737 (with below average business product), and the second is a lie-flat product with 3 times longer flight time! In fact, ATH-AMS-CUR is only 5K more expensive than only ATH-AMS!
Another point I noticed is that, while the route is taken into account for the pricing - the direction is not. When flying business it is now actually cheaper to start your long-haul flight from an (European) outstation. ATH-JFK is about 4K miles less than AMS-JFK.
However while cash prices for ATH-AMS are much lower than AMS-ATH, that is not the case with awards. So the direction (or: POS pricing) is not being applied to awards, while they are to cash fares.
I'm foreseeing a lot of hidden city ticketing with awards in the future. When ATH-AMS in business costs 15K more miles than ATH-AMS-DUS, why wouldn't I book the second?
From AMS the business miles have gone up by 4K (49K one way!). This makes business almost 5 (!!) times more expensive than Economy, which goes against what other alliances are doing.
With *A (eg A3) Economy is 15K within Europe, and business is 25K...less than double the Y price. Its VERY surprising that FB increases the already ridiculous 45K to 49K one-way. And those are 'starting from..' prices!
This even means that there is virtually no difference in miles between AMS-ATH and various long-haul destinations, like AMS-CUR; while the first is a 3h flight on a B737 (with below average business product), and the second is a lie-flat product with 3 times longer flight time! In fact, ATH-AMS-CUR is only 5K more expensive than only ATH-AMS!
Another point I noticed is that, while the route is taken into account for the pricing - the direction is not. When flying business it is now actually cheaper to start your long-haul flight from an (European) outstation. ATH-JFK is about 4K miles less than AMS-JFK.
However while cash prices for ATH-AMS are much lower than AMS-ATH, that is not the case with awards. So the direction (or: POS pricing) is not being applied to awards, while they are to cash fares.
I'm foreseeing a lot of hidden city ticketing with awards in the future. When ATH-AMS in business costs 15K more miles than ATH-AMS-DUS, why wouldn't I book the second?
Last edited by Xandrios; Mar 17, 2018 at 10:56 am