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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Sep 22, 2018, 6:20 am
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Sorry if that was already asked, could not find the answer via search. Does one earn reward miles on fuel surcharge portion of award ticket?
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Old Sep 22, 2018, 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by maxvor
Sorry if that was already asked, could not find the answer via search. Does one earn reward miles on fuel surcharge portion of award ticket?
No miles on award tickets.
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Old Sep 23, 2018, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by eastindywalrus
No miles on award tickets.
Thanks.
Makes me wonder if AF/KL also doesn't recognize the money from YQ on reward tickets as revenue in their financial statements...
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Old Sep 23, 2018, 11:29 am
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The same applies to e.g. change fees on a paid ticket. Doesn't earn anything (Even though thats 150 euro in many cases!)
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Old Sep 23, 2018, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by maxvor
Makes me wonder if AF/KL also doesn't recognize the money from YQ on reward tickets as revenue in their financial statements...
Of course they do. Why would they not do it ? It’s clearly a revenue.
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Old Sep 24, 2018, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak

Of course they do. Why would they not do it ? It’s clearly a revenue.
That was clearly a sarcastic remark to laugh at the situation that not every way of spending money in this spend-based programme is equal, even when spending money on actually the same item (what makes YQ on revenue ticket different from YQ on award ticket is beyond my understanding).
Now, a tricky one, at least to me. We know we can earn miles on meals. Does one earn miles on meals purchased on award ticket?
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Old Sep 25, 2018, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by maxvor
That was clearly a sarcastic remark to laugh at the situation that not every way of spending money in this spend-based programme is equal, even when spending money on actually the same item (what makes YQ on revenue ticket different from YQ on award ticket is beyond my understanding).
I agree but I think their logic is award = no miles

Originally Posted by maxvor
Now, a tricky one, at least to me. We know we can earn miles on meals. Does one earn miles on meals purchased on award ticket?
No. Same logic as above. Award = no miles at all, including for options.
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Old Sep 28, 2018, 4:01 am
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My qualification plans got a bit messed up because I received a load of miles and XP’s that I shouldn’t have for a Saudia Alfursan award ticket. That means I will cross the platinum threshold on 1 October, when I really wanted my year to begin on 1 January. Is there any way to recalibrate it so it can begin on 1 January? I think, probably not, but I’m checking here anyway.
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Old Sep 28, 2018, 5:12 am
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Originally Posted by Concerto
My qualification plans got a bit messed up because I received a load of miles and XP’s that I shouldn’t have for a Saudia Alfursan award ticket. That means I will cross the platinum threshold on 1 October, when I really wanted my year to begin on 1 January. Is there any way to recalibrate it so it can begin on 1 January? I think, probably not, but I’m checking here anyway.
You can always ask FB to withdraw these XP's - mistakes are happening in both directions, so why would they refuse to fix this?
(Might however be the first time in their history that somebody asks for miles/XP's to be removed)
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Old Sep 28, 2018, 3:51 pm
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Originally Posted by wuzziduzziman
You can always ask FB to withdraw these XP's - mistakes are happening in both directions, so why would they refuse to fix this?
(Might however be the first time in their history that somebody asks for miles/XP's to be removed)
Indeed - there's nothing to lose.
Best case scenario - they readjust for end-of-year in December.
Worst case scenario - they leave you as you are.
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Old Sep 30, 2018, 12:54 pm
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Jet Airways

I expect I'm being a bit dim here but I am correct in thinking that.. if I book an AMS-DEL on KL flight number but operated by Jet Airways.. I receive XPs and miles per partner table
But, if I do the same flight on a Jet Airways flight number I receive zero XPs and zero miles?
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Old Sep 30, 2018, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by tranmerechris
I expect I'm being a bit dim here but I am correct in thinking that.. if I book an AMS-DEL on KL flight number but operated by Jet Airways.. I receive XPs and miles per partner table
But, if I do the same flight on a Jet Airways flight number I receive zero XPs and zero miles?
Just no XP, you will get miles. https://www.flyingblue.nl/nl/partner...s/presentation
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Old Sep 30, 2018, 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by tranmerechris
I expect I'm being a bit dim here but I am correct in thinking that.. if I book an AMS-DEL on KL flight number but operated by Jet Airways.. I receive XPs and miles per partner table
But, if I do the same flight on a Jet Airways flight number I receive zero XPs and zero miles?
If booked with KL flight number , you get miles and XP as per KL table, not partner table.
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Old Oct 1, 2018, 4:06 am
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Originally Posted by Fabo.sk
Indeed - there's nothing to lose.
Best case scenario - they readjust for end-of-year in December.
Worst case scenario - they leave you as you are.
I think I will just leave things as they are instead of monkeying about with it and let things run their course. Sometimes in life you just have to leave things alone and not worry too much about them.
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Old Oct 2, 2018, 1:35 am
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I had a ticket from last year which I am finishing now. On the outbound last year, as platinum, I earned 5250 miles (2 segments in Europe Z class).
For the return MUC CDG MAD (D class) , I had a stopover in CDG and I earned only 910 miles for the first flight (equivalent to 113.75 EUR spent) whereas the fare component value is 354 EUR (excluding taxes). How do they calculate earning for part of fare components? MUC CDG and CDG MAD are 425 and 660 miles distance. I guess it will be regularized once I fly CDG MAD but these 910 miles earned for MUC CDG in D don't really make sense. My first miles earned per EUR spent on FB.
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