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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 12:33 am
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So do I !



Still a couple of work: « null »

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Old Apr 1, 2018, 12:50 am
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Two quick questions. Yesterday (31st March) I flew in from Hungary to CDG and then onto a TGV Air which should now get converted to 14 XP as they were flown under the old system.

1) Will they actually convert those to 14 XP for me as it was under the old system?

2) I had 22 segments prior to this so I'm presuming that as I requalified as Gold back in December last year that when the new system comes online and yesterday's points get added on that I should be Gold until December with 168 points. Correct?
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 1:14 am
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They also rounded up my 110,265 Level Miles (I guess to the nearest 100 so 110,300 LM) and gave me 552 XP. I was expecting them to ignore the 265 LM and just use 110,000 LM * (5 XP/1000 LM) = 550 XP.

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Old Apr 1, 2018, 2:34 am
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No expiry date on the Plat for Life virtual card from the KL app.

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Old Apr 1, 2018, 2:40 am
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From the new partners page, flying W (Premium Select) with Delta earns more miles than J ...
Also 125% earnings on comfort+ as well.

Delta Air Lines earning scheme

CABIN AND BOOKING CLASS EARNING %:

Delta International Long Haul (transatlantic and transpacific routes)
  • Business Cabin (Called Delta One) J, C: 175%; D, I: 150%; Z: 125%
  • Premium Economy Cabin (Called Delta Premium select) P: 200%; A: 175%; G: 125%,
  • Economy Cabin (Called Comfort +) W: 125%; (Called Main Cabin ) Y, B, M: 100%; H: 75%; Q, K, L: 50%; U, T, X, V; (Called Basic Economy) E: 25%

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Old Apr 1, 2018, 2:42 am
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
From the new partners page, flying W with Delta earns more miles than J ...
This is a good one indeed
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 3:08 am
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I thought comfort+ was just a seat upgrade, like KL economy comfort. How does this work when getting C+ for free because of status?
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 3:22 am
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Originally Posted by danfl44
I thought comfort+ was just a seat upgrade, like KL economy comfort. How does this work when getting C+ for free because of status?
delta comfort+ is a separate booking class and you won't get free upgrades anymore since its introduction.
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 3:31 am
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Seems like some of the international routes (for examples, HKG-TPE or TPE-PEK) are considered as domestic route under the new programme.
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 3:39 am
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The AF app now shows the new scheme and the new design for the card.
Login on KLM and AF websites is possible as well, with new dashboard & profile pages.
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 4:12 am
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Hi all,

With the conversion I got 336 XP. As per last year I'm Platinum till March 31 2019. With the conversion and having 336 XP does that mean that i keep the Platinum status till 2020 and the 16 XP + the XP I can make from 1st April till 31 December 2018 will help me to gain one year ahead?

Thanks a lot for your feedback.

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Old Apr 1, 2018, 4:31 am
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Just checked my profile and they transformed my 42026 lebel miles to 169 points (4 factor).I was expecting 210(5 factor). Is it an error?
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 4:37 am
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Wow, these new card designs are rather infantile.
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Old Apr 1, 2018, 4:47 am
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Hi BA6948,

If you live in France (and I think Monaco as well), the X factor is 4 instead of 5 for the level miles.

Cheers,

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Old Apr 1, 2018, 4:51 am
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Originally Posted by AlexBelt
Hi BA6948,

If you live in France (and I think Monaco as well), the X factor is 4 instead of 5 for the level miles.

Cheers,

Alex
hi Alex, thanks for the info. I couldn‘t find that info anywhere. It was always 5 when I checked. Is it written somewhere on their website?
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