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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Mar 25, 2018, 1:32 pm
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Levels miles will be converted 1000miles to 5XP on April 1st correct?

How about a flight that was taken long before March 31st but hasn't had level miles correctly posted? When miles eventually post sometime after April 1st will that flight get the 1000miles to 5XP rate, or will it be subject to the new distance/class chart rates?
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Old Mar 25, 2018, 3:46 pm
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new logo visuals:

https://damonhayward.myportfolio.com...lue-rebranding
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Old Mar 25, 2018, 3:50 pm
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Are these the ones that will be used, or, are these the proposals from one specific graphic design firm?

I'd imagine that they would ask different firms for proposals. This one specifically is not original at all in my opninon - its just (part of) the AF and KLM logos laid on top of each other. And what should the other Flying Blue airlines think of that? They have been omitted from the logo..
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Old Mar 25, 2018, 4:32 pm
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lol, that lion...
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Old Mar 25, 2018, 11:54 pm
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Does any of you has received the new card ? I didn't.
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 12:08 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
Does any of you has received the new card ? I didn't.
No new card, holiday Friday, four days and counting.
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 1:07 am
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Originally Posted by majik
How about a flight that was taken long before March 31st but hasn't had level miles correctly posted? When miles eventually post sometime after April 1st will that flight get the 1000miles to 5XP rate, or will it be subject to the new distance/class chart rates?
The same issue arises every year at the end of the year where they perform the level check for everyone and calculate the rollover for those that qualify for one. [The difference this time is that everyone with a non-zero balance will get a roll-over!]

It is not a.process that is performed once only, on the stated date, with later-posting miles ignored. If miles hit your account later, for flights taken in the old scheme, the changeover conversion will be updated to reflect this.
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 1:15 am
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Originally Posted by majik
No new card, holiday Friday, four days and counting.
Same here
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 1:19 am
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No new card yet.
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 1:36 am
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Didn't they say it would be a few days after 1st of April?
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 2:28 am
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Originally Posted by travelbits
That looks like student work. This isn't going to be 'new logo visuals'.
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 4:49 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
Does any of you has received the new card ? I didn't.
should be sent out in the beginning of April as before. From the FAQ on the FB website (regarding new Programme) they did also state that “the look and feel” would change.

For Ultimate members there may be additional good news, so please share when you receive your new membership package:-)
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Gajan
For Ultimate members there may be additional good news, so please share when you receive your new membership package:-)
Maybe...

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Old Mar 26, 2018, 12:46 pm
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Or maybe not
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Old Mar 26, 2018, 2:39 pm
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Does anyone know when you modify a booking with payment of:
1- a change fee
2- a fare adjustment

if those count in the total fare paid for miles earning ?
I would say yes for 2) but I'm not so sure for 1)
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