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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
You don't know the half of it. Remember when I complained about it not working? I thought it was because it was busy but the reality appears to be different, as the same thing kept happening even days after the FB overhaul announcement: I kept trying to look up the same combination of origin/via/dest and it apparently actually *crashed* the thing, taking about 5 minutes to recover.

I just tried again and they apparently fixed it, either giving results (when looking up DL) or the above error message (KL).

The error you're receiving about the airport not being in their list is likely because the entry in the text box is slightly messed up.
I have the same problem. I can use the calculator only once. Then I need to wait forever (30 min ?) before using it again. However, clearing cookies solve the problem immediately
Simple, but very annoying when you have to do that several times just to check 4 or 5 routes.
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Old Nov 15, 2017, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
I have the same problem. I can use the calculator only once. Then I need to wait forever (30 min ?) before using it again. However, clearing cookies solve the problem immediately
Simple, but very annoying when you have to do that several times just to check 4 or 5 routes.
Even simpler, I just open a new browser window in incognito mode and it works. Otherwise I'm facing the same problem.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 3:53 am
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Originally Posted by Klems
Even simpler, I just open a new browser window in incognito mode and it works. Otherwise I'm facing the same problem.
Not enough if you have a permanent IP ( with a cable/fiber connection)
In that case, best is to open an alternate browser..
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 4:03 am
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That the make it so difficult to query the calculator could be accepted if such queries resulted in earning XPs. Or bitcoins!!!
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
That the make it so difficult to query the calculator could be accepted if such queries resulted in earning XPs. Or bitcoins!!!
As long as you get more XPs using the calculator for a US domestic flight than actually flying one, that's fine with me

I was wondering why more people didn't buy bitcoins... and I just now realized how bloody difficult it is to get them. Almost as hard as using the FB calculator, yeah. The latter almost never works in chrome; a bit better in firefox.
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Old Nov 17, 2017, 12:58 pm
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Would be great though if they update everything on the partner pages as well (and fix FB calculator for Delta).
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 4:17 am
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This morning I've had a brief conversation with AF over how many XP are required for Gold.

The email I received stated 280 and yet in a similar conversation I had with AF via Twitter it was 180.

So which is it and can I kiss goodbye to Gold as I will never be able to do 280 points per year
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 4:54 am
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Starting from Silver, you will need 180 XP. In case you fall down to Ivory, you first need to reach Silver with 100 XP and then another 180 XP for Gold.
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 5:34 am
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Originally Posted by HeartFist
Starting from Silver, you will need 180 XP. In case you fall down to Ivory, you first need to reach Silver with 100 XP and then another 180 XP for Gold.
OK, I think I get it.

So at the beginning of 2018 I will be Gold. If I just find 180 XP then at the beginning of 2019 I will still be Gold?
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 5:55 am
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If you receive 180XP in 2018, you will be Gold until March 31 2020.
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 6:12 am
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Originally Posted by TographerE
OK, I think I get it.

So at the beginning of 2018 I will be Gold. If I just find 180 XP then at the beginning of 2019 I will still be Gold?
Yes.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 7:00 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
How are you people managing to use the calculator? It just times out a bunch for me. If it loads then by the time I've entered the information it's broken again :
It's because their code spams HTTP requests in order to auto complete the airport names and then just blocks you for several minutes.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by Woet
It's because their code spams HTTP requests in order to auto complete the airport names and then just blocks you for several minutes.
That's hilarious.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 9:26 am
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I can't book any flights using the "Use your miles" tab on Air France. Any search returns the following:

No flights available on your travel dates. Please change your selection.
Anyone else having this issue?
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 11:49 am
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Is the "Show Calculation" button on the Miles Calculator not working for anyone else? It just opens another tabs containing the text "[object Object]".
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