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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:19 pm
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Can someone enlighten me what "Premium Economy" in the XP table means? I am flying a lot KLM short-haul, if this means Economy Comfort then getting status would be really cheap.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:19 pm
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Well, it seems that TGV Air from my local French station to CDG no longer counts.

I don't mind in one way but that now means every flight will have to be a connection.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:20 pm
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Originally Posted by fkl
Can someone enlighten me what "Premium Economy" in the XP table means? I am flying a lot KLM short-haul, if this means Economy Comfort then getting status would be really cheap.
It means W cabin, which is something KLM does not offer but AF (and now DL) does.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by fkl
Can someone enlighten me what "Premium Economy" in the XP table means? I am flying a lot KLM short-haul, if this means Economy Comfort then getting status would be really cheap.
KLM offers Economy Comfort, which is not the same as Premium Economy.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:37 pm
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funny thing, i was on the FB page explaining the new changes and saw a chat option. i started chatting with a FB agent, asked 1 question about the new changes (to which she answered a general answer like "you need achieve the XP necessary for the status") but then she kind of shut me off quickly while i was writing a question and said please look at our website for further information and closed the conversation !!!!
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
The tables are what will remain valid; they don't show level miles at all.

They show the rate at which AWARD miles are earned; it just so happens that level miles are earned at the same rates.

Given that only those fare classes shown as earning AWARD miles currently earn level miles, so the thinking is that only these classes will earn XPs. However, when XPs are earned, the rate of earning is not dictated by the partner earning page, but by the single XP earning table.

(Until such time as they publish separate XP rates for partners, but this doesn't seem to be the intention)
They still do show award & level miles, for instance here: https://www.flyingblue.com/earn-and-...air-lines.html

As for the XP, for instance it still seems more like "domestic US first class" is missing (and the route used as an example is JFK-ATL, which is 760 miles). Calculator now doesn't even show "first class" for Delta when you try to calculate it (shows business class only with business class fare codes). Time will tell ...
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:46 pm
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
It means W cabin, which is something KLM does not offer but AF (and now DL) does.
from what i understand economy confort with KLM which is just a seat option will get you miles under the new scheme if you buy with cash.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by newflyer27
from what i understand economy confort with KLM which is just a seat option you will get you miles under the new scheme if you buy with cash.
Yes, options such as seat purchases will be included in the mileage calculation.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
It means W cabin, which is something KLM does not offer but AF (and now DL) does.
But the DL W cabin is presented as economy in the mileage calculator under DL.

And the domestic F class (F,P,A,G) as premium economy.

That would suck.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by dc9northwest
But the DL W cabin is presented as economy in the mileage calculator under DL.

And the domestic F class (F,P,A,G) as premium economy.

That would suck.
That would suck and I would expect that to not be correct. Premium Select (W) is a new cabin for DL though.

But maybe this is just another way of getting FB members to fly less DL.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:30 pm
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
That would suck and I would expect that to not be correct. Premium Select (W) is a new cabin for DL though.

But maybe this is just another way of getting FB members to fly less DL.
If they want PAX to fly less DL, they'd need to start offering more KL metal flights to the US that are equal priced to the DL ones.

3 out of 4 times the DL metal operated legs are cheaper than the KL ones.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:31 pm
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Yeah, I hope it's just a bug. But I can see it both ways.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:32 pm
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That would indeed suck if things end up like that but I expect that it's a bug as well.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:40 pm
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Just lovely to see that a JFK-LAX brings a whopping 2 points in economy on DL... Which places even more AA as the airline of choice when flying in the US with an European (BA) status...
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 5:13 pm
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Do they also change the award chart?
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