Upcoming changes to Flying Blue in 2018

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As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Nov 21, 17, 4:42 am
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Old Nov 21, 17, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
I have the French Gold FB Amex since 1999. I read several times in FT that you could have the annual fee waived when you spend more than a certain sum every year. So I tried last year or 2 years ago and my request was declined. At 1st they didn’t even know what I was talking about and then they passed the call to a supervisor who told me they did that only once or twice (in terms of years they applied this policy) but they weren’t doing that anymore.
So I’d be curious to know if some other posters here have succeeded to have the fee waived for the French gold FB Amex.
I have also been able to waive the fees this year (september 2017) after 34k€ of spending. I have just ask telling I had spent a lot this year and that I was holding the card for 10 years.
The last 2-3 years, I forgot to call...
Previously, I was able to waive 50% (twice) or to get 10000 award miles (twice) depending of the years.

No reason to pretend to cancel the card...just beg for a discount.
Never tried or get tempted with plat card as I consider it makes no sense if you are not yourself a plat member within flying blue.
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Old Nov 21, 17, 1:55 pm
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Thank you for giving me some hope
I will calculate how much I have spent this year and will try. Will report here of course
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Old Nov 21, 17, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
Thank you for giving me some hope
I will calculate how much I have spent this year and will try. Will report here of course
In 2004 I had over 20k spend called them (based on recommendations here on FT) and they waived the fee no questions asked, it was then automatically waived for each of the following years without my having to call them, until 2010 when my spending dropped (damn change to the our corporate expense procedures.... )
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Old Nov 21, 17, 5:15 pm
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For the Plat, too? My spend is almost 100K this year.
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Old Nov 22, 17, 3:53 am
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Originally Posted by caliform View Post
For the Plat, too? My spend is almost 100K this year.
we spend roughly 50k per year on the co-branded platinum card in the Netherlands, but have not had any success. Your spend is significantly higher, may be more successful.
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Old Nov 22, 17, 5:00 am
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Hello all
I have a request about this change.
There is an item in the FAQ of the new FB program that I don't understand.
It is written :
"I already have a Silver, Gold or Platinum card valid until 31 March 2019. What will change for me?
Your level will remain unchanged until 31 March 2019, but the way you earn and spend Miles and gain your level will change for all members from 1 April 2018."

I was wondering how can someone have a status valid until 31st March 2019 ?
I was thinking that maybe there is an issue with the date. Isn't it 31st march 2018 ?
In that case, do you think that status will remain for 1 additionnal year for those people?

My status usaually changes the 1st of april every year. I am currently GOLD and I am not sure I will be eligible for Gold after this.

I asked FB on tchat bot but they were not able to answer.
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Old Nov 22, 17, 5:04 am
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If you (re)qualify for a level during 2017, it will be valid until 31st March 2019...
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Old Nov 22, 17, 7:14 am
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And now they are sending out questionnaires to find out how the new changes are perceived, and whether the programme is better than any other "main" programme you may be using...
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Old Nov 22, 17, 8:37 am
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Originally Posted by Gajan View Post
we spend roughly 50k per year on the co-branded platinum card in the Netherlands, but have not had any success. Your spend is significantly higher, may be more successful.
What is a good moment to try? Spending on my and my wife's co-card together is a significant six digit amount. The card has some value for us, I do actually make use of the concierge service from time to time, various insurance covers every 18 months, and - probably the most convenient - as long as we have the card my wife is also Platinum for life, which she enjoys when traveling alone. She would qualify on her own in many years, but not always. Through the card she has that. Obviously many FB miles come through the spending, although not that many level miles (tickets for my professional trips, which are the ones bringing in the segments and level miles, are not paid with this card but through our corporate TA). But is that worth 570 EUR? I have second thoughts.
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Old Nov 22, 17, 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by irishguy28 View Post
And now they are sending out questionnaires to find out how the new changes are perceived, and whether the programme is better than any other "main" programme you may be using...
that is daring! and, as they have not told yet how many miles are needed to soon book award files it is a bit a phoney to ask now already ....
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Old Nov 23, 17, 12:58 am
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo View Post
What is a good moment to try? Spending on my and my wife's co-card together is a significant six digit amount. The card has some value for us, I do actually make use of the concierge service from time to time, various insurance covers every 18 months, and - probably the most convenient - as long as we have the card my wife is also Platinum for life, which she enjoys when traveling alone. She would qualify on her own in many years, but not always. Through the card she has that. Obviously many FB miles come through the spending, although not that many level miles (tickets for my professional trips, which are the ones bringing in the segments and level miles, are not paid with this card but through our corporate TA). But is that worth 570 EUR? I have second thoughts.
we call at the end of the year (when the annual contribution is due).

what you could also consider, if you are contemplating on cancelling, is to take the card for 12 months, cancel for 12 months and then reapply. That way every time you get the new member discount (in NL first year sees a reduced fee and bonus miles - not sure what you get in France). If you time it right, your wife can continue the FB Platinum status too

Alternatively, in the second year you could apply for the the regular platinum card via your wife as main card holder and enjoy the other benefits that that card provides - also getting the new member discount if the down period is at least 12 months that your wife has not been main cardholder.

small addition: not sure what the rules are in France regarding new joiner benefits, in NL you are considered a new member if you have not held a specific product for 12 months

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Old Nov 23, 17, 6:25 am
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Originally Posted by travelbits View Post
that is daring! and, as they have not told yet how many miles are needed to soon book award files it is a bit a phoney to ask now already ....
Daring perhaps in face of the FT community who have analyzed this in depth, but most people have no clue, and could answer positively without being aware of the full consequences of the new rules. My biggest concern is still miles inflation with the new award scheme. They can ask anything they want and hide behind the mysteries of yield management.
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Old Nov 23, 17, 6:35 am
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If you (re)qualify for a level during 2017, it will be valid until 31st March 2019...
I donwgraded from Plat to Gold the 1st of april 2017, so you think that I will stay gold until 31st march 2019 ?
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Old Nov 23, 17, 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by pitchoun64 View Post
I donwgraded from Plat to Gold the 1st of april 2017, so you think that I will stay gold until 31st march 2019 ?
Only if you re-qualify, otherwise and assuming you have had at least 1 qualifying flight in 2017, you will be downgraded to Silver.
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