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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:54 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
You get 15, 30 or 60 XP on your card anniversary date depending on the level of the card.
Yes, but I also get today 2, 4 or 8 QF (which I "don't use" as I qualify with miles), so I suppose there is *some* benefit to it.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:54 am
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Originally Posted by Andy82
This is assuming that you start from scratch.
But what happens when you are Platinum and you *need* to stay platinum?

Do you need 580XP back or just 300XP in the next 12 months?
If you start from Platinum, you only need 300XP, not the 580XP that an Ivory would require.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:54 am
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I am currently Plat March 18 - March 19 (I qualified in April 17). If I interpret the new rules correctly, I should re-qualify for Plat in June 18.

As a possible downside, would this mean that Plat will last June 18 - June 19 (rather than March 19 - March 20, as would have happened under the old system)? Or will the new Plat period start Jan 19?
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:55 am
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Originally Posted by nldogbert
My take on this so far with the changes:
- why did they make it so complicated with the introduction of XP points
- seems that there is no real benefit (besides the amount of award miles) in purchasing expensive tickets within the same class, i.e Z, D or C sub-class
Indeed, and I am quite puzzled by that. So a 100 EUR return ticket in Y will have the same "power" as a 600EUR same-day ticket on the same flights?
Under old rules, it was still same segments, but at least more level miles.

Originally Posted by nldogbert
- rolling years make things complicated ala BAEC, i have to track my start and end date.
Actually I love the rolling year concept. Nothing like a burst of activity in Q4 only to see everything fizz out again over year change.

Originally Posted by nldogbert
- rather sad that they did not reduce the amount of award miles needed for award tickets and gone towards the dynamic pricing approach

Cheers!
somewhat sad but understandable. Still remains to see how will it actually work out in long term.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:55 am
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Still kind-of missing information on XP earning on partner flights like Delta. Extrapolating the chart on US flights as "Domestic < 500 miles", what took me 70000 level miles (Delta + AF/KL TATL) would yield 404 XP. W bookings on AF would get less award miles though (even for a W fare) .
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:56 am
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Originally Posted by Ditto
Yes, but I also get today 2, 4 or 8 QF (which I "don't use" as I qualify with miles), so I suppose there is *some* benefit to it.
As stated before, segment-running is now a thing of the past in Flying Blue.

People who previously only ever qualified on segments will now have to sit down and see if an FB Amex - presumably the Platinum - will be worth the extra cost [and extra Miles] - otherwise segment-runners will all migrate to LCCs or other programmes/alliances.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:57 am
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
Still kind-of missing information on XP earning on partner flights like Delta. Extrapolating the chart on US flights as "Domestic < 500 miles", what took me 70000 level miles (Delta + AF/KL TATL) would yield 404 XP. W bookings on AF would get less award miles though (even for a W fare) .
The XP earning chart is for all partners - presumably with the proviso that you have to be travelling in a fare class that earns Miles in the earning chart of that partner.

They are hardly going to give XPs for fares that don't earn currently.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:59 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
As stated before, segment-running is now a thing of the past in Flying Blue.

People who previously only ever qualified on segments will now have to sit down and see if an FB Amex - presumably the Platinum - will be worth the extra cost [and extra Miles] - otherwise segment-runners will all migrate to LCCs or other programmes/alliances.
I would not put it that way. segment running just shifts to cheap european business class segment runs
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:01 am
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Originally Posted by PeteM01
I am currently Plat March 18 - March 19 (I qualified in April 17). If I interpret the new rules correctly, I should re-qualify for Plat in June 18.

As a possible downside, would this mean that Plat will last June 18 - June 19 (rather than March 19 - March 20, as would have happened under the old system)? Or will the new Plat period start Jan 19?
Given that you are currently at the top tier, and assuming you never drop down a level, then your anniversary/year end date will remain aligned to the calendar year.

We don't know if a soft landing is still granted, but if you should ever miss your Platinum target in the new programme, you would presumably drop to Gold, again with an anniversary date of 31 December. If and when you go back up to Platinum, that would become your new anniversary date.

In short, everyone who currently has status, or has status at at the date of changeover to the new programme, should see their "anniversary date" unchanged, i.e. remain tied to the calendar year. For Platinums, this gives greater scope to keep that anniversary aligned to the calendar year. For anyone else, as soon as they increase in status, that date becomes their new anniversary/year-end date.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:01 am
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Originally Posted by f0zzyNUE
I would not put it that way. segment running just shifts to cheap european business class segment runs
Booking business class is the antithesis of "segment running"
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:02 am
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Originally Posted by maxvor
Yeap, works fine when you want to do it year by year. But what they make veeery difficult is jumping from zero to hero in one year. And for me this is the way I prefer to earn the status on any alliance - I pretty much decide on my traveling patterns for the upcoming year and if I can't achieve at least mid-tier during that year I shift to another alliance.
Yes, effectively you need to have silver to be able to qualify for gold, and gold to be able to qualify for platinum. However once you've reached a level, qualifying for the next level is basically the same as today (albeit with adjusted thresholds.)
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:03 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
As stated before, segment-running is now a thing of the past in Flying Blue.

People who previously only ever qualified on segments will now have to sit down and see if an FB Amex - presumably the Platinum - will be worth the extra cost [and extra Miles] - otherwise segment-runners will all migrate to LCCs or other programmes/alliances.

Do not fully agree.

With 5XP per flight (assuming most segments are international ones within Europe). one would need 36 segments. That is definitely achievable with some planning and use of smart routings.
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:05 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
The XP earning chart is for all partners - presumably with the proviso that you have to be travelling in a fare class that earns Miles in the earning chart of that partner.

They are hardly going to give XPs for fares that don't earn currently.
I'd mainly be interested in the distances for US domestic flights as I'd say there's going to be different mileages (and "domestic" is going to have some threshold). And also if "US domestic first class" is seen as "business class" or as "first class" (right now it's more of "first class" with 175%-200% award / level miles).

404 XP for me was when I counted business class earnings, but if it's first class, then it's 620 XP
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:05 am
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Flying Blue members in Russia will feel cheated - a one way from Moscow to Vladivostok in economy will earn you just 2 XP? On an 8-hour flight? Same as on a 45-minute hop from Paris to Bordeaux?
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Old Nov 6, 2017, 4:07 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
Given that you are currently at the top tier, and assuming you never drop down a level, then your anniversary/year end date will remain aligned to the calendar year.

We don't know if a soft landing is still granted, but if you should ever miss your Platinum target in the new programme, you would presumably drop to Gold, again with an anniversary date of 31 December. If and when you go back up to Platinum, that would become your new anniversary date.

In short, everyone who currently has status, or has status at at the date of changeover to the new programme, should see their "anniversary date" unchanged, i.e. remain tied to the calendar year. For Platinums, this gives greater scope to keep that anniversary aligned to the calendar year. For anyone else, as soon as they increase in status, that date becomes their new anniversary/year-end date.
For those who currently have status expiring in March 2019, do we know if they would still 'honour' that, or reset it on 1st April 2018?

And going back to my question about the status earned during the first three months of 2018, under the current rules - what happens to that?
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