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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Nov 13, 2017, 5:46 am
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For my flying profile, I need to look at Eco Flight 5XP within Europe. What confused me are the 10XP for Premium Economy ? What is Premium Economy ? Is Premium Economy / Economy Plus and the Seats in Economy Comfort all the same but with different names ?
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Old Nov 13, 2017, 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by flyingbluelover
For my flying profile, I need to look at Eco Flight 5XP within Europe. What confused me are the 10XP for Premium Economy ? What is Premium Economy ? Is Premium Economy / Economy Plus and the Seats in Economy Comfort all the same but with different names ?
No, it's an AF cabin class with a different seat, booking into A,S & W, only available on long haul.
Eco Comfort is a KL product that any Y-booking class can pay for (or get for free for FB Platinum's). It does not change anything wrt XP earnings.
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Old Nov 13, 2017, 11:23 am
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Recent booking SFO-CDG-TLV booked in Z outbound and W inbound is however showing SFO-CDG in Z (finally BEST), CDG-TLV in J but on the way back: TLV-CDG is in Y and CDG-SFO in W, unlike past bookings where when I booked in A/S/W even the short haul was in A/S/W (even when you flew Y). So in terms of XP, I’m not sure if short-haul W will actually exist.
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Old Nov 13, 2017, 11:50 am
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Booked 2 cheap Y flights around the change date:

AMS - NWI
U spaart:
944 Award Miles
150 Level Miles
5 XP


crossed tickets in-between
NWI - AMS
U spaart:
730 Award Miles
188 Level Miles
5 XP

I am Platinum
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Old Nov 13, 2017, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
Incidentally, yesterday I made a map that shows the distance required from AMS and CDG with a number of destinations reachable from there that are near the thresholds:


Red lines are the XP thresholds from AMS, blue from CDG.
(Source for map if you want to edit).

Note: these are GCMap's idea of the distance -- they're usually the same as AFKL's idea, but sometimes AFKL fudges the numbers slightly.

From this I spot three destinations where AMS/CDG origin makes a difference: SEA (4887/5017mi), SLC (4990/5080) and PEK (4878/5103).
Nice map, thank you. It seems there'll now be at least more significant rewards for me flying SFO-AMS over JFK-AMS, which currently doesn't really make as big of a difference in level miles.

Do I understand correctly that 5 RT's in J SFO-AMS would net me 320 XP? Jeez.
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Old Nov 13, 2017, 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by caliform
Nice map, thank you. It seems there'll now be at least more significant rewards for me flying SFO-AMS over JFK-AMS, which currently doesn't really make as big of a difference in level miles.
Yep. I expect I'll go visit a friend who's moving to Seattle next year, and rather than fly it non-stop or through YVR or DTW I'll just do it through SFO which will give me up to 24 extra XP (assuming DL F is credited as Business in that case) for like €50 extra and two hours on DL. Alternatively I could make it AMS-CDG-SEA for 102XP total, but then CDG and a DL 777. Choices choices.

Do I understand correctly that 5 RT's in J SFO-AMS would net me 320 XP? Jeez.
No, that would net you 360XP.

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Old Nov 14, 2017, 1:05 am
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Originally Posted by caliform
Do I understand correctly that 5 RT's in J SFO-AMS would net me 320 XP? Jeez.
Only if you go SFO-JFK-AMS rather than directly SFO-AMS!

https://flyingblue.com/calculator/earn.html
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 2:23 am
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SFO-JFK-AMS 5x in J would also net 360XP: AMS-JFK is 30, JFK-SFO is 6 for a total of 72 r/t, which is the same as ams-sfo non-stop.

If you want to game that system you really need to add internationally connecting sectors rather than domestic ones; for example by flying AMS-CDG-SFO as that would earn 102XP per r/t.
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 2:26 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
SFO-JFK-AMS 5x in J would also net 360XP: AMS-JFK is 30, JFK-SFO is 6 for a total of 72 r/t, which is the same as ams-sfo non-stop.
Half an hour ago, the FB calculator reported 32XP for SFO-JFK-AMS. This is what it now reports, after a brief period of total unavailability
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 3:06 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
Half an hour ago, the FB calculator reported 32XP for SFO-JFK-AMS. This is what it now reports, after a brief period of total unavailability
If you look up AMS-JFK on KL and JFK-SFO on DL separately it tells you 30 and 6, and I don't see why that wouldn't be accurate.
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 3:46 am
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
Recent booking SFO-CDG-TLV booked in Z outbound and W inbound is however showing SFO-CDG in Z (finally BEST), CDG-TLV in J but on the way back: TLV-CDG is in Y and CDG-SFO in W, unlike past bookings where when I booked in A/S/W even the short haul was in A/S/W (even when you flew Y). So in terms of XP, I’m not sure if short-haul W will actually exist.
It won't, at least not within Europe.

Presumably the provision is there for tag-ons and partner flights.
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 3:47 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
If you look up AMS-JFK on KL and JFK-SFO on DL separately it tells you 30 and 6, and I don't see why that wouldn't be accurate.
I also don't understand why they can't seem to code the calculator correctly.

(It currently reports the following, despite helpfully having SFO as one of the options to select from)
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 3:53 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
I also don't understand why they can't seem to code the calculator correctly.
You don't know the half of it. Remember when I complained about it not working? I thought it was because it was busy but the reality appears to be different, as the same thing kept happening even days after the FB overhaul announcement: I kept trying to look up the same combination of origin/via/dest and it apparently actually *crashed* the thing, taking about 5 minutes to recover.

I just tried again and they apparently fixed it, either giving results (when looking up DL) or the above error message (KL).

The error you're receiving about the airport not being in their list is likely because the entry in the text box is slightly messed up.
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 4:00 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
The error you're receiving about the airport not being in their list is likely because the entry in the text box is slightly messed up.
Normally I would agree with you, but that is not the case; I type in "SFO" and then wait for it to suggest the entry in the format that they require, i.e as it has been preloaded in the calculator - and then I accept that. [see below]

Only to be told that the entry they chose from the list doesn't actually appear on their list...

I typically can make one or two queries before the calculator disappears and nothing more can be done in that particular session.

EDIT: It seems, indeed, that SFO-JFK-AMS will report if "Delta" is selected, but previously it reported for KLM; perhaps they are "closing down" options not operated by particular airlines - however, it should be possible to book SFO-JFK-AMS on all-KL flight numbers, even if both legs were operated by DL, so they shouldn't NOT report earning for such routings if KL is the chosen airline....at least, in the current scheme of things, you earn on the basis of the flightcodes, not on the basis of the operator [except for where a non-Skyteam or non-FB partner may be involved, but not the case here!]
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Old Nov 14, 2017, 5:39 am
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I had similar errors for Singapore and Manchester last week. Try again later, or from a different browser.
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