Upcoming changes to Flying Blue in 2018

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As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:25 am
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Just doing the maths, I qualified for Platinum this year out of 61 qualifying flights, 8 of them being Y long-haul (6 one-way are Long 2, 2 are long 3), all the others are Y domestic flights.

I would sit at 176 XP with this system.

I should see if I could go for the extra and reach Gold (or take an AMEX Silver card), or switch to another FFP.
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:27 am
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still av lot of details to be seen not least on redemptions...
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:28 am
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Given that the calendar year is no longer relevant - you instead have a 12-month period from your last renewal/upgrade in which to qualify - I wonder if LTPE is gone?

I assume our trusty roving reporters are going to ask the question. There is no info on the website about these aspects.
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:29 am
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stupid question maybe but does domestic flights outside France count as domestic too?
for example will a BCN MAD give 2 or 5XP?
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:30 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28 View Post
This also means that "roll-overs" are effectively a thing of the past - you will simply start your new, higher status with the excess amount of XPs that put you over the previous threshold.
Oh, that is actually a very important point that may change what I wrote before about gold/plat; if moving from ivory to silver re-sets your XP to zero, then you need 180 *more* points to go to gold, then that actually puts the segments (still assuming European flights here):

Silver: still 20
Gold 20 + 36 = 56
Plat: 20 + 36 + 60 = 116

But that seems like an excessive change compared to today, so is that right? You would have more time to gain those XP of course, at a maximum of 3 years.
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:31 am
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Originally Posted by bodory View Post
Not a word on the website about LTPE.
1) On the page "experience and explore", it says "As you are a Platinum for Life member these level thresholds do not apply to you."

2) On the page "Enjoy the best", it says : "Keep your favourite benefits

As a Platinum for Life member, you’ll still benefit from free extra baggage allowance on SkyTeam flights, as well as SkyPriority services at the airport and access to the SkyTeam lounges.

What’s more, you’ll still get free access to extra comfort seats on flights with:

- AF KLM

Take a look at your membership benefits for more details.
"

P.S. If you mean not one word about LTPE, click on "membership benefits", it takes you to a page saying that 10 years Plat makes you Plat for life (with the old reference to segments though).

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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:33 am
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PFL remains as is.
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:33 am
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Has anyone been able to ascertain if there will be changes to award bookings with regard to miles needed? It looks like earning miles for awards is going to be a lot harder. It'd be great if they adjusted award booking accordingly, but I highly doubt that.
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:33 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR View Post
Oh, that is actually a very important point that may change what I wrote before about gold/plat; if moving from ivory to silver re-sets your XP to zero, then you need 180 *more* points to go to gold, then that actually puts the segments (still assuming European flights here):

Silver: still 20
Gold 20 + 36 = 56
Plat: 20 + 36 + 60 = 116

But that seems like an excessive change compared to today, so is that right? You would have more time to gain those XP of course, at a maximum of 3 years.
But it's correct. The necessary number of XPs are cleared from your account when you go up in status, unlike the current system, where you kept your Level Miles but had a shorter period in which to aim for the next level.

You get a full 12 months each time you go up in status.

It does seem that attaining status in the first place will be much, much harder - though they have given you as much as 3 years in order to do so - compared to the "12 months" that you could have used in the old scheme.

In the old scheme, you could "race" through the levels, using the same segments/level miles that got you Silver to help you get Gold, and using all of those level miles/segments again to get you to Platinum.

In this scheme, you effectively need to accumulate 580 XPs in a maximum of 3 years to get to Platinum - instead of the old scheme where a certain number of Level Miles/Segments could be "banked" three times in a single calendar year, first to get you to Silver, then to get you to Gold, and then to get you to Platinum. (and then you could even perhaps carry over a lot of them to the following year).

Depending on your flying patterns, and particularly if you currently have no/low status, attaining status has become much, much harder.

That means the shortcut via "racing" in a single calendar year is gone!!!!

For this reason alone, this means FB has become a far less attractive programme.

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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:36 am
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Wow. Not as bad as expected. European Business Class Segment with 15XP together with cheap 4 segment business class runs makes Platinum not too expensive
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:36 am
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Originally Posted by carnarvon View Post
1) On the page "experience and explore", it says "As you are a Platinum for Life member these level thresholds do not apply to you."

2) On the page "Enjoy the best", it says : "Keep your favourite benefits

As a Platinum for Life member, you’ll still benefit from free extra baggage allowance on SkyTeam flights, as well as SkyPriority services at the airport and access to the SkyTeam lounges.

What’s more, you’ll still get free access to extra comfort seats on flights with:

- AF KLM

Take a look at your membership benefits for more details.
"
I was referring about the dedicated website.
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:36 am
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Thanks all for the answers regarding the conversion! I did my math and this year I would have earned 418XP so rollover of 118 instead of nothing since I requalified with QF. So overall it seems positive in some cases.
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:37 am
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Originally Posted by joyu12 View Post
Your level miles and qualifying flights earned before 1st of April will be converted to XP at a rate of 1000 miles for 5 XP and 1 qualifying flight for 7 XP.
OR - which is quite important in that case ...
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:37 am
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Do we know what happens with status earned between January 1st and March 31st?

Would the old rules still apply [good for that year and the following one]?
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Old Nov 6, 17, 4:37 am
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Originally Posted by newflyer27 View Post
stupid question maybe but does domestic flights outside France count as domestic too?
for example will a BCN MAD give 2 or 5XP?

Originally Posted by Flying Blue website
What is a domestic flight?
A domestic flight is any flight that has a departure airport and destination within the same country.
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