Upcoming changes to Flying Blue in 2018

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As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current at maximum 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Dec 9, 18, 8:02 am
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On the other hand,

EDI - AMS KL1286 gespaarde Miles op basis van bestede euro's

+2.247 Miles
+5 XP


Clearly, my employer (or, more precisely, their client) overpaid massively... (but that's what you get for bad planning...)

I haven't gotten under a 100 miles yet, but I've only flown a couple of sectors since the new rules are in and none of the cheap ones either.
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Old Dec 9, 18, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by flying_blue_white_red View Post
Is this really correct?
This is of course all correct and should not surprise anyone at this point. Whether we accrue three times, five times, or even ten times as much is actually irrelevant here. It would not make the slightest difference if the price of award tickets and upgrades were commensurate with the new accrual scheme. Such is, however, not the case. Miles accrual has been scaled down to a historical low, whilst awards and upgrades have gone through the roof by virtue of dynamic pricing, resulting in an unprecedented abysmal value of the FB mile. But, hey! This is probably how it should be, and FB is merely following a general trend whereby loyalty does not pay as much as it used to, whether we like it or not.
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Old Dec 9, 18, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by Macaron54 View Post
But, hey! This is probably how it should be, and FB is merely following a general trend whereby loyalty does not pay as much as it used to, whether we like it or not.
Actually, no: I do not think that this is "how it should be" and that it reflects what happens in other loyalty programme.
Yes, there has been inflation generally in many loyalty programmes. However, the FB pincer movement with major devaluation of earnings and major inflation in the cost of awards is on an altogether different scale. It is the difference between, say, 1970s and 1980s European double digit inflation on the one hand and 21st century Venezuelan-style 4 to 6 digit hyper-inflation on the other... OK. this is perhaps an exaggeration but I am sure that you get my drift.
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Old Dec 9, 18, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by NickB View Post
Actually, no: I do not think that this is "how it should be" and that it reflects what happens in other loyalty programme.
Yes, there has been inflation generally in many loyalty programmes. However, the FB pincer movement with major devaluation of earnings and major inflation in the cost of awards is on an altogether different scale. It is the difference between, say, 1970s and 1980s European double digit inflation on the one hand and 21st century Venezuelan-style 4 to 6 digit hyper-inflation on the other... OK. this is perhaps an exaggeration but I am sure that you get my drift.
My apologies, NickB, for being cynical. You are absolutely right: This is of course not how it should be. You might, however, remember that in the early days of the revamped FB program, I expressed my utter consternation on this very thread, yet to no avail, many aficionados of this forum appearing to be happy with the new rules. Back in 2005, when it came to life, FB was already a precursor in the business, and had already introduced a revenue-based component to its miles accrual scheme when most other airlines, notably the North-American, were still crediting 100% of the flown miles on all booking classes, barring the heavily discounted ones. As most airlines moved to a revenue-based accrual scheme in recent years, FB remains the avant-garde of the industry, skimping on the multiplicative factor for every dollar/euro spent. As an example, while DL Diamonds receive 11 miles per dollar spent, Ultimates only get 8 miles per euro spent (or 7 miles per dollar spent). That being said, FB is also rather cynical about its own program: It is either their way, or the highway.
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Old Dec 9, 18, 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Macaron54 View Post
You might, however, remember that in the early days of the revamped FB program, I expressed my utter consternation on this very thread, yet to no avail, many aficionados of this forum appearing to be happy with the new rules.
Actually, it was more mixed than that. Many of us were happy with the rules with respect to elite qualification but also said that this would in all likelihood result in substantial inflation in the cost of redemptions. That analysis still stands, imo. As far as elite qualification is concerned, I like the new system better than the old one. As far as the earn/burn ratio is concerned, however, my suspicion that the new system with dynamic award pricing would result in significantly higher costs has, unfortunately, been confirmed.
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Old Dec 9, 18, 2:37 pm
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my suspicion that the new system with dynamic award pricing would result in significantly higher costs has, unfortunately, been confirmed.
Wait... I heard through the grapevine that there will be changes in the coming weeks/months, at least insofar as upgrades are concerned, though it is unclear yet how these changes will be implemented and affect us. Still, it seems that the FB gods at last heard the outcry of their children .
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Old Dec 9, 18, 3:25 pm
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Wait... I heard through the grapevine that there will be changes in the coming weeks/months, at least insofar as upgrades are concerned, thoughit is unclear yet how these changes will be implemented and affect us. Still, it seems that the FB gods at last heard the outcry of their children .
I wonder why such words when applied to frequent flyer programmes always fill me with an unmistakable sense of foreboding even when they are meant to convey reassurance.
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Old Dec 9, 18, 3:31 pm
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Looks like they are getting even more creative nowadays, with First class redemption options on KLM...
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Old Dec 10, 18, 3:24 am
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I wonder why such words when applied to frequent flyer programmes always fill me with an unmistakable sense of foreboding even when they are meant to convey reassurance.
airline industry is one of these where new fees or lowering benefits can be introduced as an ''improvment'' or an ''innovation''
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Old Dec 10, 18, 12:47 pm
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Looks like they are getting even more creative nowadays, with First class redemption options on KLM...
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Old Dec 10, 18, 12:57 pm
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First class means you get to sit in the first officer's seat. It's a treat! A bit cramped in the 747 though.
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Old Dec 10, 18, 1:03 pm
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Old Dec 12, 18, 12:22 pm
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I had 53,000 Flying Blue miles set to expire this month. They were acquired through a Citibank transfer two years ago.

I transferred 5,000 more miles a few days ago from Amex, anticipating an award booking to use all 58,000 miles.

After the transfer hit my Jetblue account, I logged in and see the following: "58,000 MILES - 58,000 valid until 31 Dec 2020"

I searched this thread and see no mention of a points transfer being a qualifying activity to extend the expiration of all miles in the account. Is this new, is the Flying Blue website wrong, or am I missing something?
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Old Dec 12, 18, 12:54 pm
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One of the changes this year was splitting flight miles earned and miles earned from non-flight activity into two different expiration pools. (the flight miles are still effectively under the old system; at this point, non-flight miles expiration seems to get pushed out two years by any other non-flight mile activity)

I suspect that FB wants to increase how much they're making from selling miles to third parties, and the old expiration rules were seen as a barrier to that.
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Old Jan 1, 19, 9:37 am
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Happy new year all. The new year has started, meaning the XP counter has reset for many. For me 180 xps have been deducted for a year renewal of Gold (and 70 carried over)

However I was wondering if anybody has experienced the soft landing, not having collected enough xps for the lower level.

Do you now have 0 xps, negative xps, or carried over all xps you did get (unlikely)?
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